Free Gary McKinnon

Also interesting to note that 'Condy' Rice is due in London on the date that Mr Keith was fighting so hard to get.

Reminds me of when Gary's HoL appeal date was changed to the same day that Bush was in London ...

Gary should be praised for helping the US find the problems with their networks.
He also shpuld be protected by UK law. But Jacqui Smith has no Morals and needs to resign.

@Brain,
She certainly fails in taking her duties seriously if nothing else.

Gary should be protected not tainted. The American prisons will not protect him against the gang violence he will encounter once in our system.

You guys need to be using Twitter to help get the word out.

I think that they should free Gary McKinnon . Because he didn't do any system damages and data loss and robbing. He just interested in Pentagon's network security and he invent that there are backdoors and the system doesn't protected fully. And their administrator and another system securities must learn from him. At least instead of arrested they should define him duty like a system administrator.Because he knows best than them.

I agree 100 %

Having five existing IT Security certifications, currently I am studying for the CISSP ( Certified Information Systems Security )

In the "Security Management Practices" chapter, The roles and responsibilities and delegation of policies is defined by a corporation or government body.

The problem is - the true axiom that 'information security is everyones responsibility' is too often put into practice as 'everyone is responsible - but no one is accountable".

That looks like exactly what happened to the US Military - textbook pitfall.

There are three areas uder security management practices, they are:
1/ Management - Responsibilities include designing the information security policy.
2/ Owner - Responsibilities include ultimately responsible for the safeguarding of assigned information assets ans may have fiduciary responsibility or to be held personally liable for negligence in protecting these assets under the concept of *due care*.
3/ Custodian - Responsibilities include the day-to-day responsibility for protecting information assets such as - backups and file permissions. IT systems or network administrators often fill this role.
4/ Users - Responsibilities include - a) complying with security requirements defined in policy, legislation and contracts. b) exercising due care in safeguarding assets. c) participation in information security awareness efforts. d) reporting any suspicious activity, security violations, security problems or security concerns to appropriate personnel.

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This is where it gets really interesting...

The world in general is so paranoid about information security - this being the information age - as people and powers have realized what importance IT Security is now in our world. Such powers as making a corporate body loose millions just by taking down a website. But also the fear factor is involved here, how many of us know everything about computers and security? Very, very, very few. So be affraid of us if you want to but please think clearly. if Gary had been a bad hacker he would have done damage [ damage as in plant a virus, ect - not damage as in enter an unsecured network as US officials claim to be damage - THIS BEING FABRICATED AND UNTRUE AS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED HERE TEXTBOOK POLICY ] if Gary was a good hacker he would have reported security problems...

AND guess what? That is what He did !!!

Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.

cant do the time? dont do the crime.

cant think for yourself ? spout rhyming rubbish.

cant think for yourself ? quote an old rhyme.

Gary's petition :

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/stop-the-extradition-of-gary-mckinnon.html

Might I add that textbook policy establishes legal authority over assets. Which means that - if there was no requirement according to policy for a password to be placed on the administrator's account - then we can assume that everyone has been granted access and noone can be held accountable. If there was a requirement by policy to have the administrators account assigned a password other than the default mode, then most likely the 'owner' of the asset is legally responsioble and will be held liable for the mistake.

The entire process of "Security Management Practices" and policies, standards, guidelines and proceedures is TO ESTABLISH LEGAL AUTHORITY over assets.

This concept could easily be employed by a IT Security - knowledgable lawyer as one line of defense for Gary McKinnon. It would be interesting to see a copy of the Military Security Policy - bring the management, owner and custodian under oath and ask them 'why there was no password set on the administrators account?'. The response would be wonderfully delightful for a geekette like me!!!

Also, I suggest the legal team to read the RFC 2196, which clearly outlines the law according to the internet rules which were established way back in the late 60's early 70's when I was surfing on my Texas Instruments 99A via dial-up, entitled "The Site Security Handbook". This defines a security policy as a formal statement of rules by which people who are given access to an organizations technology and information assets must abide.

The question really is - Was there a password requirement on their systems or not? Because...
if there was no password required then Gary McKinnon entered the systems legally and reported the security problem which shows that he was following standard policy...
if there was a password required then the management, owner and custodian can and should be held fully liable and accountable for this high profile and top secret security blooper. An y persons who happened to enter their systems were explicitly given access rights by omission.

There has been an almost total news blackout on Gary's case. The unfair extradition agreement applying to him, Brian Howes,and other citizens seems to be untouchable as far as our press is concerned.
Apart from some small articles in the 'Guardian', readers will learn nothing about how the government is guilty of betrayal. Glastonbury Radio Presenter Ross Hemsworth has taken out a case in principle against the government for 'breach of civil liberties', prompted by their refusal to heed EDM 2388. Although top UK Human Rights lawyers are prepared to take it on, not one newspaper has responded to the press releases. Therefore, the rest of the country are denied their right to judge where the truth of the matter lies.
Writing in last Saturday's 'Guardian', John Kampfner shared an impression of a government'so arrogant and vengeful against anyone trying to coax out the truth that ministers would invoke all arms of the law to do their bidding'.
It is truly a nightmare scenario, when ordinary decent citizens can be extradited without charge or proof of wrongdoing - and other ordinary decent citizens (like Ross) can be driven to the point of exhaustion in trying to disseminate the truth.

What are these people all about anyway? (officials)
Why do they do what they do?
What makes them tick?
What would get their attention?

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You know, in a lot of ways, this looks like a war we are fighting against. A war right here and now in our livingrooms and offices. I have always loved technology because I saw it as a way to free the earth. Truth makes you free. What we should have is a system of governing where all citizens are allowed to vote on every bill that passess the legislature. This would be boss. But there seems to be incredible opposition by certain powers to the ' new age '.

What would get their attention?

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Gary - I'll do whatever is necessary to protect you - who knows, maybe I'm next.........

Disgusting, what they are doing to this man.If NASA is so inefficient, to have a website,which can be hacked , it is not Mr McKinnon's fault.
Serves them right, they have been keeping information from the public for too long, information that concerns everybody on this Planet.
No one gave them the authority.
Thank you Gary, for bringing such an attention to this subject.I am sure you are in the "RIGHT" and they are WRONG, very wrong

"What would get their attention?"

Nothing else than an ugly painted paper thats been called "money".

Need a paperless world to change their mind...!

Yes

Money gets their attention. This is a truth - a constant in the equation.

So then, the inverse of money - a negative number - would get attention.

Is it possible to sue - a personal litigation suite for personal injury?
Or is there some money making venture of theirs that would be a serious loss if it was cancelled due to a negative press release or other spin?

I just returned from a stay in the wilderness and saw that Gary's freedom has been extended until 20 January. For the first time watching his case, I felt so happy that I'm smiling. I haven't had this feeling since childhood.

One of Gary's problems for the US government is that he's too British - fair play and all that. It's seems that his legal problems are over, now. That's probably why I feel so good.

I have nothing against Tony Blair. But, after seeing him on CNN, not quickly answering the reporters questions, makes me think that during Prime Ministers' Questions, he was so quick on his feet because he knew ahead of time what the questions would be. This makes me think that he didn't make his own decision on Gary's extradition. Can we forgive Tony Blair or is there more to it?

Gordon Brown actually tried to quote Lady Thatcher during one of his recent "Questions." The same Lady Thatcher who saved Britain from Social Democracy with her monetarism policies, who also supported the nation-state, yet also supported the New World Order with the US as leader. Look where the US led NWO has led us economically. Is it any wonder Gary had problems with the US system? I say a strong Britain as an equal partner to the US in a New World Confederation based on Fair Play with Gary as Ambassador.

Elle,

Looks like an easy question that can't be answered (and my english isnt good to understand everything, hope i take you to the answer)

- It is not clear what kind of people "they" are.
- Good people wouldn't do something bad for the money.
- If we knowed what was going on there (like ufo's) then money will be the first thing thats been used to stop us from knowing.

Why?
- Something is hiding from us. It must have a (bad?) reason that were not allowed to see.

But:
Are they that bad people who doesnt give a f**k who you are?

Fake!
They should help people insteed of making something striked...

Good night over there :-)

dear Honeybear, welcome back from the wilderness.
Like thousands of other people here - maybe millions,to include those overseas, i will NEVER forgive Tony Blair. Not unless he admits what he did (Afghanistan, Iraq, the craven sell-out extradition agreement, etc) was all to do with his prized position as US poodle and nothing to do with national security. Oh, and unless he spends the rest of his life in humble contrition, trying to make amends to all those whose lives he has shattered.
And in a way, Gordon Brown is worse. A son of the Manse, whose every instinct should have told him that starting a war of aggression was wrong. He exchanged his conscience back then for the distant prize of the premiership. When i hear him pontificating now, i think of those lines which go something like 'This above all, to your own self be true. You can not then be false to any man'.
It seems that a direct line can be traced back to Blair's fatal decisions, from what is happening to Gary now. It also links to the 7/7 bombings, and the outrage of what happened to Jean Charles de Menezes. On that, i hope and pray the jury will defy their instructions and find a verdict of unlawful killing.
It was a privilege to join the small and mighty band at the 'Free Gary' protest yesterday. It made me proud to be British, when so much of what is done by our government in our name is shameful. Our 'cheerleader' (sorry can't think of the right phrase, well it is 5.30am)kept up the cry of support for Gary and rejection of injustice. She did so with all her power, at full volume and disregarding the strain on her throat!

Those who lived through the IRA terrorism in the 70s and 80s will recall how the US - as well as sponsoring the IRA through NORAID - systematically refused UK requests to extradite known IRA terrorists on the basis that their crimes were supposedly political.
The US of course has also not signed up to the International Criminal Court and routinely ensures US military guilty of crimes abroad never face due punishment for their crimes - remember the US pilot who cut down an Italian cable car killing 20 people in 1998 - he was duly found NOT GUILTY of manslaughter in a US court...
The simple fact is that the US are just plain hypocrites in their pursuit of one-sided "justice".
NO ONE should be extradited for any crime to the US unless and until the US itself commits to the ICC and agrees that their own criminals face due justice abroad.
The total subservience of the UK to the US in the present extradition treaty is utterly shameful and should end now.
KG

This is a tough one....My question is, if an american hacker/cracker were to penetrate government networks in britain, what would be the repercussions? would the american be extradited to the u.k.?! my first response would be 'yes'. not that i think it is fair, and I truly feel for this man's legal hell he has endured over the past years, however the simple fact remains he did trespass.

it's one thing to surf websites of any government with an internet browser, however when you are applying and utilizing tools which contain capabilities far and beyond your average web browser (think command-line tools and network scanners etc) then you are in totally different territory.

i hope he does not have to be extradited, but unfortunately i think it is inevitable. the penalties can be very harsh especially reading through the cybercrime website: www.cybercrime.gov

You're wrong. If an american hacker/cracker were to penetrate government networks in britain they would not be extradited.
Gary trespassed into U.S computers almost 7 years ago; he was on a dial up computer which was 800 times slower than todays broadband.
He did not have any Hi-Tech tools of any kind, only a commom commerical application.

The U.S computers had no passwords and no firewalls, so their computers weren't secured and the U.S staff were obviously negligent.

He didn't murder anyone; he should not be extradited.
Extradition should only be used for murder and the like and not for non violent trespass.

Our Government bend over backwards to do anything the U.S tell them to.
I mean, what other government is stupid enough or weak enough to sign away the rights of it's own citizens, whilst giving greater rights to citizens of other countries.

This is a gross betrayal by the U.K government of it's own citizens.

If I were to be so careless when configuring computer systems at my workplace, I'd get the sack. Furthermore, I'd probably be sued.
In fact, they would probably hire the person who discovered such a major flaw as their new I.T. Manager.
Now, moving on to the 'public sector'...
MP's are all idiots, and they know it. They don't have a clue about anything they say, and they know it. They're losing data at such a rate, soon enough there will be no data worth securing. Is anybody blamed? Do policies change?...Yeah right.
Put simply, when I call the bank, they want all of my personal information, just to confirm yes it is me with a measly balance and overstretched budget (Mr. Brown, your fault). However, if I want some NHS records, Armed Forces Personnel lists, Convicted Inmate lists...all I have to do..buy a one-day travelcard, get on as many trains as possible, and bingo, I'll probably find enough data to prove what really happened on 9/11. Is anybody sued? Sacked? Disciplined?...Well, you can't prosecute as big an idiot as an MP can you?..One rule for them, one rule for us...
Some food for thought...
ID Cards - a big database with everybody's info...hmm...this Government? I'd rather sign up to Al-Qaeda since they are a smaller terrorist organisation than HM Government...

Clearly there is a UK/US treaty on extradition and that it accommodates hacking from a location in Britain into a defined place in the US by someone in Britain without authority. There would also be reciprocity and a person in the US hacking into a British government facility without authority would be liable to be extradited as well. So it is not irrational that the UK government has not said it would stop the extradition as it would make the treaty otiose.

Further, it seems to be assumed that Gary has been convicted of a crime. That is not my understanding. Should he be tried in either the US or the UK, Gary may well not be convicted of anything. Remember, the standard of proof will be the criminal standard. That standard is very high.

Neither parliament nor the Home Office have betrayed Gary. They would betray Gary by applying the treaty subjectively. The rule of law is essential if we are to have a Just Society and a functioning democracy. Bringing into the extradition decision irrelevant considerations such as the perceived management of US security infrastructure, or Gary's nationality would turn the law upside down.

Indeed, the fact Gary has been able to test the extradition warrant (assuming one has been issued) in the courts demonstrates the strength and quality of the rule of law.

Which ever way this case turns out, good luck to Gary. He clearly has talent. Let's hope he can find positive ways to be involved with his love of computers and other interests.

The point is we need to provide proof/actual evidence before extraditing any American, whereas America has to make only an allegation to extradite any U.K citizen because our U.K government signed away our right to have evidence provided.
Look at how many U.S citizens we extradite? Virtually none. Look at how many U.K citizens American is wanting to extradite, about thirty at the moment.

This treaty was suposed to be used for terrorists but is being used against computer nerds, Bookmakers, Airline Executives, Bankers, people legally selling chemicals onlune, or electronics online etc etc.

The U.S government is out of control and the U.K government no longer protects it's own citizens.

Extradition should only be used for murder and not for non violent crimes. Our government betrayed us by signing the extradition treaty in secret.

America did not hand over IRA Terrorists, or thev murderers of Terry Lloyd the ITN newsman, or the pilots that bombed the British tank and so much more.

We want equal rights for U.K citizens. We do not want British people that are clearly not terrorists being extradited to America.

Gary could not defend himself against the allegations of damage in court as no evidence is required, it has not been "tested" in court.

His crime was in 2002 but the one sided treaty ratified in 2007 was used against him retrospectively.

This is not Justice and British people are not fools but it seems their government are.
The subservience to America is highly embarrasing.

Whatever happened to: "Britain never ever ever will be slaves? With the exception of to America it seems.

Gary would not get a trial in the U.S. He would be imprisoned in a high security prison for a few years until he accepted a plea bargain as he'd have no choice other than to do this.

He would then be imprisoned for an out of proportion amount of years.

He was told his crime would carry a six months sentence in the U.K so he stupidly trusted the police and admitted to computer misuse.

Other so called hackers of American military computers in the same time period have been tried in the U.K, so Gary could quite easily be tried here.

Gary has embarrassed the U.S and the U.S government will crush anyone that dares to embarrass them, though by being so heavy handed they embarrass only themselves.

This so called "rule of law" is one sided.
U.K citizens have been left unprotected and are at the mercy of the vindictive U.S government.

Why should Gary McKinnon not be tried in the USA? He comitted a crime there so he should face the penalty for his actions.

What makes him so special? Oh he has an illness well if people knew about it and how dangerous it was then why did they not supervise him?

This defence is a lame excuse for someone who cannot take the consequences for there actions.

At this present time there a more important things the governament should be working on rather than wasting there time with Gary McKinnon HACKER!

America did not hand over IRA Terrorists, or thev murderers of Terry Lloyd the ITN newsman, or the pilots that bombed the British tank and so much more.

He did not commit a crime there, he committed a very low level crime here in the U.K.
If for example,someone in the U.K telephones someone in Russia and defrauds someone out of money,they are not extradited to Russia.
"Forum" has yet to be tested in a U.K court of law. ie: Where the crime took place.

This treaty is a Major issue for every U.K citizen as America is extraditing white collar workers from the U.K on a mere whim and on an allegation alone. If U.K citizen are rich enough they pay the U.S Huge sums of money in fines (effectively buying their way out) and the U.S government is then acting in much the same way as the Mafia.

Why should the U.S be able to extradite ANY U.K citizen without providing evidence, whilst we in the U.K have to provide Evidence if we want to extradite someone from the U.S and even then America refuses to send their citizens over to the U.K for trial: As someone else just said:

America did not hand over IRA Terrorists, or the murderers of Terry Lloyd the ITN newsman, or the pilots that bombed the British tank and many more.

We want equal rights for U.K citizens. We do not want British people that are clearly not terrorists being extradited to America.

Extradition should only be used for murder and not for non violent crimes. Our government betrayed us by signing this one sided extradition treaty in secret.

The Gary McKinnon case has highlighted the gross Injustice.

The Gary McKinnon case is gross injustice:

1. The persons in charge of the security at the Pentagon should be tried or sacked for being so dumb. (These guys are probably the ones causing all the commotion... didn't they have backups!)
2. The IP addresses of the servers were even on PDFs of the court case (supposedly blacked out but an easy copy paste can get them)
3. The civil servants always loosing data on trains and missing CDs etc are never put on trial!
4. 70 years is a joke!
5. Look at Guantanamo, that is proof that the U.S government has been out of control.

With the judicial Review hearing due on Tuesday 20th January 2009 one hopes that Barack Obama will take a more measured approach to this case and the UK gov really need to control this US extradition fiasco. It's beginning to sound like hell itself.

I find it amazing that the UK is named a "democracy" when it doesn't have any of the safeguards in place at any decent European democracy to make it impossible for a minister to sign anything along the lines of your current extradition agreement with the US, and for his signature to be equivalent to obtaining validity and to become law. Wow!
For anything of that sort to be valid in Spain, France, Germany, etc - this is the procedure:
- to be voted by parliament majority (lower house)
- to be approved by the upper house
- to avoid a veto by the president (in republics)
- to make trough the Constitutional Court
You have much to do to modernize your country. it is a shame that a country with so much tradition and cultural value is a joke in terms of constitutional law and procedures.
Best of luck for your Gary.
Run away if you have to!

I find it amazing that the UK is named a "democracy" when it doesn't have any of the safeguards in place at any decent European democracy to make it impossible for a minister to sign anything along the lines of your current extradition agreement with the US, and for his signature to be equivalent to obtaining validity and to become law. Wow!
For anything of that sort to be valid in Spain, France, Germany, etc - this is the procedure:
- to be voted by parliament majority (lower house)
- to be approved by the upper house
- to avoid a veto by the president (in republics)
- to make trough the Constitutional Court
You have much to do to modernize your country. it is a shame that a country with so much tradition and cultural value is a joke in terms of constitutional law and procedures.
Best of luck for your Gary.
Run away if you have to!

Gary McKinnon did not trespass.
The Administrator failed to rename and reset the password on the Administrator account.
The sole purpose in establishing a Security Policy IS TO DETERMINE LIABILITY.
I understand that this concept is very dificult for non geeks to comprehend.
But in the geek world it goes like this - lock it or loose it.
If you unfortunately are responsible for not locking your systems and someone drives away in

them it is common knowledge that you are liable yourself AND whatever dents or damage that was

aquired during the test drive through your negligence is your own damn fault and you

personally are responsible for paying the price whatever it is - new pc, reinstall ops or

whatever. To leave a default password for the Administrator's account is equivallent to

leaving the keys in an unlocked car. No insurance company in the world will cover your ass.

RFC's are the official rules and laws of the internet. Check Request For Coments
RFC 2196
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2196.html

4.1.4 Password Assurance

While the need to eliminate the use of standard, reusable passwords
cannot be overstated, it is recognized that some organizations may
still be using them. While it's recommended that these organizations
transition to the use of better technology, in the mean time, we have
the following advice to help with the selection and maintenance of
traditional passwords. But remember, none of these measures provides
protection against disclosure due to sniffer programs.

(1) The importance of robust passwords - In many (if not most) cases
of system penetration, the intruder needs to gain access to an
account on the system. One way that goal is typically
accomplished is through guessing the password of a legitimate
user. This is often accomplished by running an automated
password cracking program, which utilizes a very large
dictionary, against the system's password file. The only way to
guard against passwords being disclosed in this manner is
through the careful selection of passwords which cannot be
easily guessed (i.e., combinations of numbers, letters, and
punctuation characters). Passwords should also be as long as
the system supports and users can tolerate.

(2) Changing default passwords - Many operating systems and
application programs are installed with default accounts and
passwords. These must be changed immediately to something that
cannot be guessed or cracked.

(3) Restricting access to the password file - In particular, a site
wants to protect the encrypted password portion of the file so
that would-be intruders don't have them available for cracking.
One effective technique is to use shadow passwords where the
password field of the standard file contains a dummy or false
password. The file containing the legitimate passwords are
protected elsewhere on the system.

(4) Password aging - When and how to expire passwords is still a
subject of controversy among the security community. It is
generally accepted that a password should not be maintained once
an account is no longer in use, but it is hotly debated whether
a user should be forced to change a good password that's in
active use. The arguments for changing passwords relate to the
prevention of the continued use of penetrated accounts.
However, the opposition claims that frequent password changes
lead to users writing down their passwords in visible areas
(such as pasting them to a terminal), or to users selecting very
simple passwords that are easy to guess. It should also be
stated that an intruder will probably use a captured or guessed
password sooner rather than later, in which case password aging
provides little if any protection.

While there is no definitive answer to this dilemma, a password
policy should directly address the issue and provide guidelines
for how often a user should change the password. Certainly, an
annual change in their password is usually not difficult for
most users, and you should consider requiring it. It is
recommended that passwords be changed at least whenever a
privileged account is compromised, there is a critical change in
personnel (especially if it is an administrator!), or when an
account has been compromised. In addition, if a privileged
account password is compromised, all passwords on the system
should be changed.

(5) Password/account blocking - Some sites find it useful to disable
accounts after a predefined number of failed attempts to
authenticate. If your site decides to employ this mechanism, it
is recommended that the mechanism not "advertise" itself. After

disabling, even if the correct password is presented, the
message displayed should remain that of a failed login attempt.
Implementing this mechanism will require that legitimate users
contact their system administrator to request that their account
be reactivated.

(6) A word about the finger daemon - By default, the finger daemon
displays considerable system and user information. For example,
it can display a list of all users currently using a system, or
all the contents of a specific user's .plan file. This
information can be used by would-be intruders to identify
usernames and guess their passwords. It is recommended that
sites consider modifying finger to restrict the information
displayed.

Please read section 4.1.4.2
"Changing default passwords - Many operating systems and
application programs are installed with default accounts and
passwords. These must be changed immediately to something that
cannot be guessed or cracked."
What this means is that if you do not set it you give anyone access rights - if you do set it

and it is subverted only then has someone entered without authorization.

Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.

free gary the cunt!

Hmmm, I read through the laws posted on the www.cybercrime.gov site looking for a clear

definition as to whether entering a default system was illegal or not and only found this one

law that outlined it is NOT ILLEGAL!

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http://www.cybercrime.gov/wiretap2510_2522.htm
UNITED STATES CODE ANNOTATED
TITLE 18. CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I--CRIMES
CHAPTER 119--WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND
INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
§ 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited
(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this title for any person--

(i) to intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic

communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily

accessible to the general public;

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UNITED STATES CODE ANNOTATED
TITLE 18. CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I--CRIMES
CHAPTER 121--STORED WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AND TRANSACTIONAL
RECORDS ACCESS
§ 2701. Unlawful access to stored communications
(a) Offense.--Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoever--

(1) intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic

communication service is provided; or
(2) intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility;

and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic

communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided

in subsection (b) of this section.
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As 'Authorized Access' on a default account is everyone!

Come to Amsterdam Gary!

I'm appalled that the UK Government would send you so far from your family, If Democrats have any sense they should knock this on the head. Good luck!

Gary, you're a bloody idiot for penetrating their networks, but you *SO* don't deserve what's going on mate. Let's hope the current Moron-In-Charge dies a hideous cancer-ridden death after Obama arrives and sets things right for you. You need a kick up the arse, but not an arse-reaming. Chin up bruv.

Gary if I were you I’d laugh in the face of adversity, because to every sane person on this planet you look really clever and well meaning, if not perhaps a little innocently naïve, but “they” look really stupid and full of malicious intent. So take comfort in the fact, that we now have the power to write the true history and now it is much more difficult for them to hide their toxic stupidity. (meaning I hope the transparency will ultimately force them to do the right thing)
My wife and I, all our family and friends and their families and friends wish you the best of luck on the 20 January 2009

This is not a conincedence. All the world's media will be focussed on Barak Obama and all this will not be reported on the mainstream media.
Microsoft/Bill gates is in bed with the USA Govt because it is bad publicity for both of them. All these systems that Gary entered"hacked" had no passwords. This is virtually inpossible with a Linux system as it will not install itself without a sensible root password.

Make a voodoo doll of George Bush and start sticking pins in it....

If these systems were as important as they suggest, then a password would seem to be the simplest defense. I'm sorry to see a world superpower crush this man merely because they can, it seems a massively overblown response. If anything they should be thanking him for pointing out the gaping holes in their security. Although I am curious as to what the owners of these systems meant when they say the systems were rendered unusable. Were they willfully damaged in some way?

The Extradition law really disturbs me. The reason is - I understand that NO EVIDENSE is required to have a person extradited to USA from UK and CANADA and probably many other countries out there that signed this law blind to apease the beast.
So how exactly does this work? Can a legal professional out there clairify this for me? As I was lying in bed last night I realized that all it takes is for someone to fabricate some alledged crime - NO EVIDENSE REQUIRED - and file for extradition.
How retarded is this 'no evidense required'.
I have never heard of a more unethical, unjust, illogical, inhumane, natzi like piece of legislation in my life.
We should rename this piece of work "The Natzidition Act of 2008".
This law should be repealed and rewritten and then voted on by all citizens. Maybe after being rewritten and inspected for critical flaws that can be so abused it may be a good law and serve us. But in its present state, it is the complete abortion of everything about law we hold sacred. All the laws that were ever written to protect us from the insane dark behaviour hidden deep inside of us all. That evil part of us that will do anything for money and power, must be made illegal in our world. This Extradition Act must go. I think we should petition to have the Extradition Act repealed.

I'd assumed only the UK had signed this style of extradition treaty - but apparently not - it would appear that a similar arrangement exists between Canada and the US but that this treaty has been amended:

"In July of 2006, Canada's Supreme Court of Canada, with Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin presiding, expressed concerns that the Extradition Law, as it stands, may violate the Charter of Rights. In a case brought to the court by attorney Edward Greenspan, the court established a new test for judges when deciding whether or not an accused should be sent to the US.

The court stated that evidence to extradite must amount to a case that could go to trial in Canada and potentially result in a guilty verdict. In common language: No dead witnesses, no intimidated witnesses, and no phony affidavits. The court ruled that “This may require the extradition judge to engage in limited weighing of the evidence.”

Having said that - I don't think it would help Gary if we had a similar clarification here in the UK unfortunately. Roll on January and we can finally be rid of this disasterous American administration.

http://www.icjournalism.org/canada-set-extradite-native-tuchone-us

Gary é o maior hacker que já existiu!!!!!!!!!

Over the past 4 years I have aquired the MCSE, MCSA, CEH, LPT, GCUX, CSA and currently working on CISSP.
Yesterday I was thinking about the lack of a password on the US military systems. On systems such as these I could not say that there would be any greater systems that require security. Furthermore, due to the nature of the information on the systems and the possible damage that could occur if missused by the wrong person, I would say that security would be higher than any system in the world.
By observation, no password on a default administrator account tells me that the security was so lax that it is equivallent to no security. It would be near impossible for there to be any IDS system to 'catch' a user if that user is authorized under default admin as 'anyone'. "Anyone" is an actual user group on a microsoft system. It is the user group that is also a default group on an unconfigured operating system. And certainly an IDS [Intrusion Detection System} definitly would not be alerted about an 'Administrator' action even if it was a default 'Administrator' because they are both part of the "Administrator" group. The highest ranking group on the ops with the most powers.
So, this tells me that none of the configuration of the ops went on at all. Make sense? Yes!
This means that even if they had advanced firewalls or proxies and intrusion detections or extreme auditing, exhausing access control lists, or whatever else, that he was undetected because he was a member of the administrator group and every action he did looked normal to the system.
What this also tells me is that since he was undetected by the systems, the only way for him to be noticed is if he delibrately left a note or something. And I guess that is just what he did - from my understanding. This would be the only way for him to be noticed. And I also understand he left a note reporting the security issues and his name and phone. Gary being an administrator by trade knew this is the right thing to do. He did not do this by mistake.
This also tells me that because there is no IDS or such that this note would be their only evidence of him on their systems. There were other people from all over the world on their systems ... but they did not report the security flaw nor did they leave contact information.
So - then the 'owner' of the system freaked and after taking a look at the machines in question quickly discovered their job was toast and as well would be sued major and have their name forever blotted out. They then fabricated evidence and allegation to cover their ass and approached the boss regarding the security breach - also trying to take credit for the discovery. If they were good enough it would look good the unknowing eye. But to geekettes like me - I can tell you right now with limited intel that this is the scenario. Furthermore, the alleged damages I would assume would be the computer systems that the 'owner' forgot to secure and maybe faked logs to show that someone in the admin group removed a password on the admin account and put it back to default. This would be the only way for a person whose ass is in the fire to try to save their job, assets and reputation. True? Yes!

Anyways - this is my Theory

Default Password on mil systems
+
Gary advising admins of security flaw
=
Fabricated computer crime allegations

Gordon Brown knows he must do the right thing and intervene in this case. And I have faith that he will do just that.
To all you tossers that say 'do the crime, do the time' - have a good look at yourselves in the mirror then ask yourself the question - 'have I ever done anything wrong and not been punished for it? If the answer yes, which it will be, then why not go and hand yourselves into the nearest police station and confess all! Wankers!!!!!!
Good luck on the 20th Gary !!!! Always thinking about you, keep your chin up, and hold your head up high buddy! Hope to see you soon................Danny and the rest of the gang x

Thinking about terrorism today.
Have been researching Hugo Keith's cases and modus operendi.
Looks like the rest of his cases were valid extradition candidates. Haven't seen anything yet like Gary's case.
What I mean is what Gary did is not - in my mind - an act of terror. In fact, I can prove this by digging up a list of historical 'hackers' that were brought into focus by the same exact event.
LEAVING A NOTE ON THE SYSTEM ABOUT LAX SECURITY.

Probably not a lot of people know this. Maybe only geeks and geekettes?

But, I want to clarify something to non geeks.
What would you rather have...

-a nice hacker that does no damage but leaves a note about lax security

-a bad hacker that does a lot of damage and does not leave any note about lax security

You choose.

Terrorism, hhhmmmmm.
This term became popular a couple years ago.
What, who is it, really?
They just landed in 2006?
No ,no ,no - These are 'bad people' that have been renamed to make them seem bigger. Not true. Bad people have always been here. They were here since the beginning. They will always be here.

Our only defense is to CLEARLY define who is bad and who is good. Otherwise we mistake good people for bad people. And thus - we become the bad people!

Gary is a good man.
Wake up people!

Gary is innocent until proven guilty, even if you confess to hacking or trespass does not make it a crime.

Gary was arrested and freely admitted to looking for UFO’s in US networks and he was on a dial up modem which had no ability to cause damage to those networks, the US have become confused with physical damage and the need for the US to upgrade their networks with passwords.

The US are constantly trying to bring people to what they call justice so they can make examples of innocent people in the UK knowing that they are soon forgotten and the UK government are complicit in these actions.

Gary McKinnon may or may not of committed a crime, but one thing is for sure is that the only place he will get a fair trial is in the UK like others that have been given the same fairness.

If Gary McKinnon is sent to the US to face Supermax prison and sensory deprivation and the end of his life behind bars in a strange dark place with no visits no phone calls and no medical treatment unless an emergency.

If this sort of thing is happening then I will be the first to say that I can understand why the US is a target of terrorism as what they are doing to the citizens of the world is exactly that terror in the name of sick justice.
By Brian Howes.

i wish like Danny Boy that i had faith in Gordon brown to do 'the right thing'. i don't, though - because he sold out his principles in signing up to the war in Iraq (otherwise Bliar would have sacked him and he would never have got his dream job)
Once such a colossal breach was allowed by him, then every other sell out would be easy. So many bad things have been committed/condoned by the government since, that there is no hope of redemption that i can see. We have to hope that the outcry against erosion of civil liberties which has just made itself heard in the media, will grow and grow - and hope too that Obama is a genuine force for change.
Ellie, hopefully your astonishing knowledge of computer technology will provide the incontrovertible evidence that Gary is innocent of the gross accusations laid on him by the US. They are not going to likeit that someone has seen through them, though - so please take care.

Why all the whinging folks?

Gary knew the consequences of getting caught hacking US military computers & now must be a man & take his medicine.

The liberals here are incredible - what if he had triggered an international incident?

I am writing to Gordon Brown tonight to demand that Gary be handed over to our American allies as a deterent to all other terrorist wanna-be's like Gary.

Have a nice trip.

Anyways - this is my Theory:

Default Password on mil systems
+
Gary advising admins of security flaw
=
Fabricated computer crime allegations

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HB: the above makes a lot of sense for me from my own experience. I turned in the biggest street pill pusher, R___, in Portland, __ about seven years ago along with a low level street heroin dealer who also had a fake US passport with a fake Hispanic name who had been to Mexico, as well as the Mexican heroin dealer and his heroin dealivery boy for the two street criminals (the street definitely has something to do with crime). The authorities treated me like a criminal. But, because I'm not smart enough to hack into US government computers, they had nothing to build a frame-up on.

Another thing about Gary getting into Pentagram (sic) cyber-space. For security to be that lax, US Intelligence had been infiltrated by either FSB operatives or by good "Grays" who kept the draw-bridge down. Good Grays like the one who programmed Betty Hill to remember the "star map" before the bad Gray tried to programme (hypnotise) her to forget. I think that beings, human or otherwise have a good ending planned for Gary.

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Those who lived through the IRA terrorism in the 70s and 80s will recall how the US - as well as sponsoring the IRA through NORAID - systematically refused UK requests to extradite known IRA terrorists on the basis that their crimes were supposedly political.

The US of course has also not signed up to the International Criminal Court and routinely ensures US military guilty of crimes abroad never face due punishment for their crimes - remember the US pilot who cut down an Italian cable car killing 20 people in 1998 - he was duly found NOT GUILTY of manslaughter in a US court...
The simple fact is that the US are just plain hypocrites in their pursuit of one-sided "justice".

Our Government bend over backwards to do anything the U.S tell them to.

I mean, what other government is stupid enough or weak enough to sign away the rights of it's own citizens, whilst giving greater rights to citizens of other countries.

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What the US government did to Gary is part of the New World Order. Some Americans actually published a document outlining the New World Order by name. Lady Thatcher in her first book stated that the concept of nation-states was still valid but in the context of - and she used the actual phrase - a New World Order - led by the US.

The weakening of British and other countries' sovereignty by attacking their citizens by means of one-sided extradition treaties as well as extra-ordinary rendition is part of the NWO's attempt to implement a One World Government using the US for now.

The world-wide economic collapse is also an attempt to weaken countries as well as the people who make up those countries, who could elect leaders who support strong nation-states within an organization of equals. Even Gordon Brown said that the US must lead the way out of this economic crisis.

Yet, the supporters of a NWO, except for maybe Lady Thatcher, don't care about America or Americans. A few years ago, President Bush gave America's Middle East "friends' about 80 billion dollars, rather than spending that money on American schools, let alone individual Americans. Now, the US Federal government is emptying the Treasury by giving money to corporations that will be controlled by government officials. That Sociaism and the hyper-inflation coming unavoidably, will destroy most individual Americans. That's the OWG and Gary got swept up in it.

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Gary would not get a trial in the U.S. He would be imprisoned in a high security prison for a few years until he accepted a plea bargain as he'd have no choice other than to do this.

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HB: This is very interesting and very Orwellian. Gary is truly a hero for accepting this risk in his fight for Britain.

zachary albion, i want you to get banned from the internet. Such people like you made us "whinging", if you didnt know.. So why are you asking :-?

You even don't know what a medicine is or where a medicine is for!
A house doctor can help any people with any kind of problem THEY MAY HAVE, but you f*cking don't care, you just having them AS animals..

Stay away from the internet for the REASON!

Abigail Grace - how very early 19th century! You sound like one of those Edwardian 'ladies' who sent white feathers to anyone who dared oppose the thinking behind the first world war - ("you, sir are an outrage")and it is not just MEN who are sent into fight the government's war for it anymore, incase you hadn't noticed.
And if there IS another world war, it will be curtains, finito, etc for this world and everyone in it.
Why don't you bother to read messages properly before wading in with pen blazing, Brian Howes emphatically did NOT call for more terrorist outrages to be visited on the USA, or its' women and children. He has a wife and children, too - who are currently under threat from the vindictive US policy of extradition without proof or evidence of wrongdoing.
Try logging on to Radio Glastonbury and listen to both Brian and Gary's interviews with Presenter Ross Hemsworth if you are not afraid to hear the facts about what the US can currently get away with. Then you might wish to direct some of your moral outrage at those who would deprive ordinary citizens of their civil rights and hard-won freedom. Anybody at all, or even YOU, could be next on their hit-list.

Here's whats going to happen::

Sadly, Barack Obama will be assasinated.
This will throw the US into a bloody and violent civil war.
The stock market will die for the US economy.
One world order will not get the required attention.
Garys case will fade away.
Gary will be free!
And the US will get all their bad karma back.

On The Petroleum Industry

Fuel prices have gone down a bit here in Canada. I was chatting with a friend a couple days ago about the price

of gas and we remeniced the days gas was 43 cents. He said that the petro industry is not regulated as to how

much they can charge for gas. Is this true? Does anyone know for sure? If this is true it is absolutely absurd.

Even loan sharks are not allowed to charge any more than 200% by law. So how could this be for such an important

resource such as fuel to be unregulated. I know my hydro bill is regulated, thank god. My friend said they are

allowed to charge as much as the market will bare. This true?

One thing I have noticed is that when bush was in every winter the fuel prices shot up extremely high. Then next

thing you would hear is a new attack by the US on some innocent country. Then fuel prices would go down. I know

for a fact that the bush family owns Duke Oil. Another friend of mine in Canada here works for them. They have

been busy piping Canadian oil down to California. God - the gluttony in California. I lived there for a short

while and couldn't stand the people any more so came back to Canada. Excessivenes, indulgent, headonistic,

lavish the lifestyle and grateful for nothing.

Why is the richest country in the world not promoting new energy but instead promoting crude oil. If they were

so great they would lead us into a bright future instead of this.

Murder for oil, I know it is true, I saw the Iraqy sites before pleading with the world for help. Then after new

pro US sites put up everywhere. I am a geek remember, I surf all cyber space not just my home network. In fact

back in the early 70's I had the entire net memorized! Not now, it's too big now, but I bet I know more than

most everyone.

Free energy sources do exist. You don't need an engineering degree to know and understand it. I've seen it -

touched it with my own two hands. Watched it in action. Seen the formula. Know the physics. It is real and is

being used today.

A friend once told me that that the Terra is controlled by petroleum. That the citizens are slaves to the system

due to this. That if we walked away from petroleum and our precious automobile then we would be free.

Unfortunately, Barack Obama is not what he seems - he's G W Bush's cousin - 9 times removed. Obama will not be assasinated - that crowd protects their own. Nothing in America will change (only in words - but not in deeds).

In fact, it will get worse for the ordinary people. Only the elite will prosper but that's always been the case.

The 'undesirables' are already dying of obesity-related diseases, AIDs, drug overdose, they are killing each other in gang wars or rotting away in US jails. There is no way out for the underclass other than death.

Unfortunately, as was predicted, 80 per cent of human population - majority being the poor - will be dead within the next 20 years.

Free energy will be too late for them.
It's a holocaust of a new kind.

I'm over simplifying, but here it is...

FACT: He connected to a remote system.
FACT: He wasn't connecting to buy something from amazon or ebay

FACT: It doesn't matter how he got on the network, his machine was an addressable node on it. The argument could be made that the fact he used a modem connection means it wasn't an accident, but rather a premeditated act to cause harm.

FACT: He deleted files and caused a DoS attack on various systems.

Unfortunately, you can't claim stupidity as a defense.

Here's some food for thought.... if you walked into your house and some stranger was sitting at your desk rummaging through your stuff. Would it be OK? How about if you left your back door unlocked? Probably not....it's still considered trespassing.

@ bmarquis - you certainly are simplifying excessively.

Firstly,, Gary McKinnon is innocent until proven guilty, on the basis of challenged evidence, not just allegations, or media interviews, in a civilian court of law. Despite all the Extradition case hearings and judgments, this has not yet happened in the last 6 years - no actual evidence has yet been presented for challenge or cross examination by his defence lawyers, due to the disgraceful Extradition Act 2003, which no longer requires prima facie evidence to be presented by the US authorities, but which still requires UK authorities to do so if they want to extradite someone from the USA.

You are ignoring the betrayal of British sovereignty by the Labour Government, when they passed the Extradition Act 2003, which affects far more people than just Gary McKinnon. They also applied this law retrospectively to Gary's case (he was arrested in 2002, before the new law ever existed).

All of Gary's alleged crimes are offences, first and foremost, against United Kingdom laws, and they could and should have been dealt with by English courts.

The UK Crown Prosecution Service decided not to prosecute Gary under UK law, presumably, because they decided that they had less than a 50% chance of securing a conviction.

Gary is not claiming to be entirely innocent, but simple illegal access to computer systems is a minor crime, which is not serious enough to warrant Extradition (that has changed in the UK only this October 2008).

No US hacker has ever been extradited to a foreign country.

No foreign hacker has ever been extradited to the United Kingdom, from anywhere else in the world.

The utter lack of any security on, not one, but on hundreds or thousands of US military systems, not just for a short period, but for years on end, in spite of alleged regular security audits, and the supposedly maximum military alert and readiness state after the September 11th 2001 terrorist attacks, indicates utter incompetence, corruption or actual treason, by senior US Military officers, Department of Defense bureacrats or civilan contractors.

Any US trial will see the naming, shaming and possible prosecution, of dozens of such senior officials.

If there had been been a trial in the UK, all of those embarrassing or career destroying details would have been heard in secret, with reporting restrictions applied.

The US authorities are going to have a hard time being able to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that only Gary was responsible for any alleged damage (which he has not admitted to), rather than any of the hundreds of other illegal computer intruders, who also had access to those same systems, from all around the world.

Because there was no "zer0 dayz" cunning new computer exploit necessary to access all those systems, there is no deterrent effect on any other wannabe hackers around the world, all off whom will think that they are less likely to be caught than Gary, especially if they only use their exploits for a lass than a couple of years at a time, before switching to something else.

The new US government under Barack Obama has the opportunity to drop this potentially embarrassing and expensive case, and to restore some of the USA's reputation for fairness and justice,which has been destroyed by the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp, and the Military Commissions and show trials instituted by George Bush's regime, which have been used against British citizens who have not even been accused of "attacking the US Military", as Gary has been.

In Response To bMarquis:

FACT: Gary did not delete files and did not cause a DoS attack on any systems. A Dos attack has never been claimed by anyone.

FACT: If you left your doors unlocked for years on end, anyone walking in would be squatting or Trespassing.

FACT: If you left your doors unlocked with military secrets lying around your house or your work for any length of time but FOR YEARS on End!!!
YOU WOULD absolutely BE PROSECUTED, SACKED and possibly charged with TREASON.
The Trespasser/whistleblower would not be prosecuted.

Hi Elle,

Our petrol in the U.K costs us approx. £1 per litre. (One British Pound)

Interesting posts from you as always. Glad you are continuing to try and awaken the masses.

Hope you had a good time in Mexico.

Good to have you back

Gary's Family

@ zachary albion - Gary is neither a terrorist nor even part of a criminal gang, something which the US Prosecutor Scott Stein (who now works for Microsoft) announced to be so back in 2002, presumably to reassure the US public.

The occasional comments like yours on this blog, falsely claiming otherwise, are libel, and will be preserved as evidence, should Gary choose to use the ferocious (and unfair) UK libel laws to sue in the future.

bmarquis -> FYI

Connecting to a remote system is not illegal. The microsoft operating system has multiple concurrent connections

to remote systems ongoing hidden behind users interfaces, all without explicit user consent or knowledge. These

connections in executables, service appy's, dll's and others are holes in an operating system and are easily

subverted. If connecting to a remote computer was illegal microsoft would be the biggest offender.

Every computer has an IP address, given, but the state of security on the .mil systems tells me that nothing was

audited, which means it was not recorded. Why do I say this? The reason is that there is a standard format for

configuring a virgin operating system, especially involved format for one that will have access to the outside.

And way, way, way down the list after all the standard preparation are in place comes the entire section of

setting up ACL's and auditing these accesses. ACL is access control lists, meaning who has been granted access

and who has been denied access, to different files and applications, ect. Auditing is keeping a record of the

sucessful access and denied access that has been granted by the acl. My point is - if the default administrator

is alive then this account is allowed full access with no acl and no auditing - no IP would ever had been

recorded.

Modem connection equals premeditated act to cause harm? Hello. If I was a hacker and I wanted to cause harm I

would use a remote T1 connection! The faster the better! The more remote the better! Hahahaah. You make me laugh

. So funny. Huuuuuulia the bigger the box the better! Aaahhhahhhahha. I'll tell you something - the security was

so lax hell, I could have been in there with all the others and there is no way to prove it!!!

And unfortunately the system administrators can't claim stupidity as a defense.

Here's some food for though, if I left my door unlocked and some stranger entered and was sitting at my desk

rummaging through my stuff - it would have to be someone really special like CIA or such that would pull a stunt

like that. And then to get caught - well they would not be to stealthy would they? And then for what purpose?

There is nothing incriminating in the office. So what would they want - to plant something? I'd have fun with

this one - that's for sure.

I have been attacked by officials for no reason that I can see except it was right after I refused to work for

the US cyber Force. At the same time there was an attempt to spam illegal material on one of my email accounts

by a person who hacked into my account. I had to call up hotmail and have the account closed immediately and

believe me this cost me alot of money in long distance fees. I tried to have the RCMP charged with assult but

the person I was with was a sherrif baliff and he refused to be a witness on the grounds that he works so

closely with the police that he did not want to offend them in any way otherwise they may not help him if he

needed help while serving some document and was being assulted or something. So I don't leave my doors unlocked

- any doors whether they be physical deadbolts or firewall filters.

Hmmm? If what you say is correct then Gary is not guilty of hacking. Hacking involves the cracking of a password entry script such as a .htaccess file which is connected to an access.cgi script. That was the typical password protection script 7 yrs. ago. If all he did was walk in through a back door that was wide open while using an FTP program, then he didn't hack anything.

Perhaps he didn't realize what he was confessing to, or maybe he was so overwhelmed by the judicial response that he felt that he must have done something wrong. The intimidation factor of being arrested alone could account for a false confession...especially since he is found to have some kind of mental handicap.

Once again, if what you say is true about how he made his way into the server, then he should rethink his position and his lawyer should look for a way to bring an application for certiorari based on extraordinary circumstances. Those circumstances being a false confession made under severe stress and mental disability.

Anyone hearing me? Did he hack a security script or not? Did he just walk in using a remote server address in an FTP program? Walking in an open door is not a crime.....is it? The Internet teaches us that if it's open we are welcome to enter.

John Matrix

PS: I'm on Gary's side. George Bush tricked the American people into World War 3 and this resulted in ruining the world's economy. He put us in the toilet of war and now he flushed the world down the toilet and is now going to retire leaving us with his legacy. The British gov. should have the guts to thumb their nose at the US gov and tell to look after the security of their websites before trying to secure the world......IDIOTS.

Reply -> John Matrix
No. Not a hack. Default administrator account!
What I want to know is, Was the nice note Gary left for the .mil admins regarding the security 'problem' pre or

post nine one one and Whether this security breach was an internal - or external origin?
I do know this ,a fair trial would expose the incredible negligance on part of the US government and I am sure

the citizens would hold them accountable. If there is going to be a fair trial.

The reason I have questions is that the outrageous security mistake is not even a believable event to me. How

can top secret machines be so overlooked? This is the greatest security breach of all time! A default password

on a default admin account? It is simply not believable. Their machines should be the best protected machines on

the entire internet. Why were they not? Why were they wide open? And the ex-admins know their were no

sacrificial lambs here. I would at least expect to the very least a non reported zero day exploit
or the implimentation of an extreme rainbow table or a 64 bit cycle counter or a carefully crafted stack

overflow ,anything that somehow escaped discovery.

But this.

If it was me none of that on a top secret system...

I would have employed on such important systems
a dedicated physical network infastructure, isolated internal dns outside root, one huge motherf*****g unix

gateway filtering proxy, multiple hardware IDS and multiple hardware firewalls, multiple software firewalls and

software IDS, arrange a Department of Defence Orange Book Class C-0 rating on main servers,
as for controls I would use ALL of them logical, physical, system, and data,
vpns ONLY ONLY ONLY ( if any at all) accessible through MD5 encryption on secure connection,
using PAP, EAP, CHAPS, RADIUS, TACACS and a custom algorythm,
certainly NO web based portals and NO SSO's,
in fact I might design a new transmission protocol,
cut down the ops on terminals win or nix till they are dumbies,
and still I know of at least one way into the system...but maybe noone else would ever figure it out...

I just want to say that this is not just an injustice to Gary McKinnon, but goes much further than that.

The US are providing false information to the UK for extradition purposes and the Home Secretary allows these requests and approves them without ever checking the legality of the request.

So of what I am alleging is that the UK government have failed in its duty to protect the UK citizen from malicious prosecutions of vulnerable UK citizens or any citizens and are afraid of upsetting the US government.

I have also noticed that only 20% of the visits to this site are from the UK and there are more biased visitors from the US.

I will not go into detail but Gary was targeted to be made an example of so as to stop other people from looking for the truth, and I do not know if he found it or not but what I do know he has served a sentence already in his daily torment and fear of the US Supermax prison and no contact with family or friends.

I would rather die than allow the US to do this to me, and before you all start saying “what do you know” well I know enough to be able to say this extradition started off wrong and has been tainted with corruption right down to district judge Ellis in Virginia and district judge Thompson in New Jersey and let’s not forget Scott Stein who now works for Microsoft who has perjured himself in his affidavit to the House of Lords by making false statements about threatening Gary.

Gary is a UK citizen and anybody who thinks he should be sent to a Supermax prison for years waiting trial when he can be given a trial here does not hold our UK human rights above the US aggressive prosecution system that has no regard for people in the UK.

Do yourselves a favour as one day this may happen to one of your family members or friends and you will want the support of other UK citizens and I hope they will be there for you as I hope you will be here for Gary.

What a bloody crazy world we live in !In my eyes Gary is a champion of the people and should be supported by millions in the UK,especially our government ,i really hope he succeeds in his quest not to be taken to the US,what an injustice that would be !Love peace and harmony would make the world a better place ,i can dream ..or will the bastards tax them too ! lol i,m just a humble warehouse worker on 15k a year married with a 7 month old daughter struggling to pay the bills that seem to grow ever larger ! What i would like to know is , if we have the use of new energy technology ,then why are we not using it ? Or is this something to do with the New World Order ? what is being hidden from us ? If the truth is out there.. then let us know so we as the human race can deal with it..

A fact is a fact... Doesnt make me believe or cry.
If something bad has happened, then yes i'd feel bad about it.

First see (or know) what the reason is...

=Reason for hacking=
[Searching for ufo's]

Gary would not come into your house to use or touch your toys. Ufo stuf is only found on some pc's, not on family pc's. :P

FACT: bulsh*t. Time to compare your own mistakes maybe? (if you have enough time for it) :P

Free Energy doesnt make money, oil does.

Bush and their friends doesnt care if the air is poluted. The only thing they want is money and the power. That bad people they are. Killing people for the money. Bush and their friend must be at least been jailed.

The word "American safety" should be banned, its the same as Nazi Hitler.

One day you'll hopefully see and believe. But they're trying to avoid.

FREE OUR PEOPLE

Arthur Johnson-
i am really glad that you are supporting Gary - that is what this website is for, and it is dismal to read the comments from people who do not understand or who do not want to know why his persecution (by our government in collusion with the current US administration)is so unjust.
Thankfully, these wilful disinformation disseminators/believers are a small minority - as this website is the only current bastion of truth about our unfair extradition treaty. Virtually nothing is said in the media about it,(apart from the occasional small piece in the Guardian) and the honourable exceptions of the 'Big Issue' and Glastonbury Radio.
What underlies Gary McKinnon's case is the unfair and unjust extradition agreement, it is not a case of me "putting Gary in the same class as Brian Howes". Gary, and Brian and Kerry Howes, and around 30 others are ALL facing the consequences of an insidious campaign by our government to lessen our rights and freedoms.
Eventually all their individual issues will have to be confronted, but only in this country as they are entitled.
i don't want our rights and freedoms to be infringed, because they are at the heart of our society. Take a cross-section of the population at large, and it will show that we will argue passionately to protect the rights of our fellow citizens, as well as our own. The Jean Charles De Menezes jury proved this, as have so many other British juries in the past.How much more support would Gary have, if his plight had more mainstream coverage?

There is another major concern with this extradition and that is, the UK government are opting to extradite Gary and others when evidence of crime may not exist to be prosecuted in the UK, and the US has a different burden of proof to the extent that hearsay is allowed in a US federal court.

Another thing about the extradition treaty is that I understand the alleged offense occurred in 2001 and the treaty did not get acceptance until a few years after.

But the treaty was retro fit to Gary's case.

In Canada the CURRENT existing legislation is only allowed to be applied to a case. If a law changed after the event it is illegal to apply it to the case. The theory of this is just.

So, I assumed that this is true also for other commonwealth countries. Why not Gary's case?

the meaning i meant to convey was that Gary and Brian's respective issues will need to be addressed in this country, so that there is clarity and understanding of what does and does not constitute a flouting of our laws.
As i understand it, neither Brian nor Gary have been charged with anything here. This would surely have been the case if they were deemed to have broken the law of the land, a land which once was proud to be regarded as the cradle of democracy - now so unsure of itself that it allows a more assertive partner to rewrite the rule books.
The new rules are being used more and more frequently to support our government's agendas, for instance anti-terrorism laws which put a huge police presence at the Kingsnorth climate camp - where peaceful protesters were treated with brutality. I'm beginning to think that whoever mentioned the New World Order on here had a point,with 'heads they win, tails we lose' as its' Mission Statement.

@Han.

Hi Han.

Perhaps because Brian and his wife are facing a total of 98 years in prison and have been told they will never see there children again is the reason why he is emotional and gets things wrong.

Perhaps you have no sense of empathy.

Perhaps you have a weak intellect and therefore pick upon a posting by someone in such a vulnerable condition instead of responding, for instance, to nefertiti'a previous reply to one of your posts ...

http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/freegary/2008/11/tell-the-barack-obamas-changegov-transition-team-about-the-damage-which-putting.html#comment-257131

I'll argue the finer points of this case with you any day if you're up for it.

@ Han - I make no empty threats about complaints to ISPs, employers or, if necessary to the legal authorities, against those who utter threats of violence, or make false, libelous accusations etc.

Several such complaints have had to have been made over the years, with the expected results.

Currently someone who has made threats against "Americans" is one of those who is banned from here, and is being dealt with by his college.

The draconian UK libel laws apply globally, which is why rich Russian oligarchs and Hollywood celebrities go "jurisdiction shopping" to London, even for cases which have nothing to do with the UK, where the stupid civil libel law favours the rich.

This applies to everyone who comments on this blog, no matter which side they take over Gary McKinnon's case.

Now that the criminal penalties under the Computer Misuse Act 1990 has been increased, effective from October 2008, it will not be long before some US based cyber criminals are arrested for extradition to the UK - we are attacked from or via the USA every day.

Would you support the extradition of such US citizens, arrested in the USA over to the UK ? Or will you be campaigning for them to be tried in the USA ?

No one has ever been extradited for Computer Misuse and that's the point.
It makes a total fool of the law and of extradition when extradition is used against people that are accused of non violent low level crime.

The US and th U.K have embarrassed themselves by this witch hunt when seriously violent criminals are given pathetically low sentences and War Criminals guilty of crimes of great magnitude are nver imprisoned, because one of them currently runs America and has made himself and his army immune from proscution for War Crimes.

It is clear that some people in power are trying to turn Britain into just another state of America but without giving Brits equal rights to Americans.
If we have to provide evidence to extradite an American, then America should have to provide evidence to extradite a Brit.

Computer misuse should never be classed as an extraditable offence but negligence by the military that don't even try and secure their computer systems should certainly get sacked and/or prosecuted.

The messenger "Ed Gibson" Ex FBI and attache to the US embassy, related the "Fry" threats to Gary McKinnon's lawyers and is therefore guilty of perjury as he denied to the court that he had relayed this information to them.

We all look forward to that coming into a UK court.
Would Ed Gibson be extradited? Or is he still in the UK working for Microsoft security.
I think he is, so he would already be here, nice and close to our courts.

Oh Good!!!

Enough negitivity Han. You must be a very angry person inside. I would get help.

The point here on this blog is to support Gary - a citizen who is being treated wrongly regardless of the arbutrary details.

Back to the point in question. By observation, the internet and technology has evolved into a very potent force in our daily lives. And with it we have felt some reprocusions.

But perhaps the most severe is the struggle by government to retain power over the people. I think for the first time in recorded hiustory it is impossible to hide the truth or bury information.

One step left to take - to have the people govern themselves instead of having one person sign their name to a law - we should have the approval of the extreme majority of a country before this ever happens.

Perhaps the new age brings with it a global revolution opposing our opressors. The same ones that own the petroleum industry.

There is a page on Facebook for Gary McKinnon.

http://www.facebook.com/srch.php?init=s%3Aclassmate%2Fcoworker&sf=r&sid=0&nm=gary+mckinnon

Send a friend request!

I can't believe that Ellie Hart posted that Barak Obama will be assassinated. Charlie Manson wanted to start a race war. Unthinking white racists want the same thing by the same means. It's surreal.

Otherwise, Ellie has some quite convincing theories.

Brian Howes, again, your statement is unbelievable.

"I would rather die than allow the US to do this to me, and before you all start saying “what do you know” well I know enough to be able to say this extradition started off wrong and..."

Gary was reported a while ago, by one of his loved-ones, to be on suicide watch. Highly intelligent people are making posts that are very disturbing to Gary. What's going on???? These posts are not showing Gary what's real or what to expect. They're something different.

I saw the following report about a woman in currently in U.S. custody. These things are happening today. Gary's supporters should use the U.S. violations of law and proceedure that are happening in her case, to show the British courts what could happen to Gary and why he can't be extradited to the lawless U.S. The U.S. changes the rules and makes things up. This has already happened to Gary.

"The prosecution claimed "that Aafia was involved in biochemical warfare. She wasn't taking brain cells and testing how they reacted to gases. But there's all this news in the media about the changing face of Al Qaeda, the neurobiology scare, and now we've got this MIT graduate with a Brandeis Ph.D. who's cooking up all these viruses."

Boston Magazine writer Katherine Ozment explained what Aafia "was actually cooking up" - the simple concept that people learn by imitation. To study it, "she devised a computer program and used adult volunteers, who came to her office and watched various objects move randomly across the screen, then reproduced what they recalled. The point was to see how well they retained the information having seen in on the screen."

Brandeis professor of cognitive science Paul DiZio laughed about how this could apply to terrorism. "I can't see how it can be applied to anything. It's not applied work. It didn't have a medical aspect to it. And, as a computer expert, she was competent. But you know, calling her a mastermind or something (is ludicrous) - I never saw any evidence."

http://www.rense.com/general84/dg.htm

Gary can't be extradited to the U.S. under the circumstances if U.K. law is to be applied.

Oops. Honeybear, me, posted the above critique of Ellie and Brian and the woman in U.S. detention. Sorry.

Brian, nothing bad in your messages. My own comments does the same.

Don't let it fool you and run away from that mistakes. Good hearts are around, cares to see such what you bring.

Our planet have two kind of people (if more i don't care) :
- Good people.
- Bad people.

Free Gary

Where to start, where to start.

@ man

Hello right back at you. :)

If Mr. Howes is vulnerable and such, perhaps he should not be posting libelous statements and inaccuracies. If he wants to have his opinions, fine. But if he wants to share his opinions with others and attempt to persuade those people of the merits of his opinions, then he should be prepared to take any resulting criticism or contrary ideas and opinions. As he notes, he is a big boy and I am sure that he can defend himself. Your patronizing attitude toward him could be deemed rather insulting as it rather suggests that he is a simpleton, much as you have implied that I am a simpleton.

I believe that Mr. Howes and his wife are accused of knowingly conspiring to produce and distribute methamphedamines (1400 pounds worth, in fact). [Sorry not sure what all 82 counts of the Indictment are but that was the gist I got.] Pardon me if I have very little sympathy or empathy for him and his wife if the allegations are true. People who value money over the lives of the innocent victims of drugs do not merit a great deal of positive feelings from me. Given the general tone of a lot of posts here it is a little surprising that others are so quick to support one alleged to have chosen money grabbing over human life.

And don't worry, I won't take to heart your insinuations about my intellect. I suspect they speak more to your own than to mine. ;)

As to replying to nefertiti's post, I am afraid that I have neither the time nor the inclination to respond to every post here that I feel is grossly inaccurate or wholly missing the mark. I have my own life to lead and only occasionally feel compelled to make a post when I feel that an alternate opinion is warranted or the facts are too grossly mangled. I am happy to discuss the finer point of this case with you if you have anything of value to add to the discussion. I have a little extra time at the moment, which is why I bothered to write this, so fire away.

@ fg

Sorry, just making sure you were awake. Of course, I note that you still haven't warned Mr. Howes about making libelous statements. Seems he is in enough trouble already without compounding it. My point about empty threats was simply that I find it hard to believe that you honestly think that someone in the U.K. would bother to sue someone in the U.S. for libel over something said on this site. What would be the point? Proving any real harm would be very difficult and even if they got a judgment it would probably be unenforceable even if the person had any money, which they probably don't. And perhaps I'm wrong, that happens with alarming frequency, but that is my guess nonetheless.

As to your hacking example, I have no problem with a U.S. citizen being extradited to the U.K. My only requirements would be that the conduct be illegal at the time of the offense in both States and that there be a probable cause determination in either the U.K. or the U.S. I would prefer the U.S. but I accept the legitimacy of U.K. courts enough to feel confident that a PC hearing in the U.K. would be a fair one. I would suggest that you would probably be better off having the person tried in the U.S. as extradition can be costly and time consuming. But if you [i.e. the U.K. government] want to prosecute, then I have no problem with it.

@ Brian Howes

Ciao and good luck. I hope you get everything you deserve. However, I am unclear as to what your point about Hearsay is. As noted in Fed. R. Evid. 802 "Hearsay is not admissable . . ." Then, as with all rules, there are exceptions. [Even my rule that every rule has exceptions has exceptions ;)] In contrast to the U.K.'s rule on hearsay: "In criminal proceedings a statement not made in oral evidence in the proceedings is admissible as evidence of any matter stated" and then lists the requirements. So in the U.S. the default is that Hearsay is inadmissible and in the U.K. the default is that hearsay is admissible. When you look at what is and is not admissible at the end of the day, they are pretty close. So, my point stands. You stated that the burden of proof is different because hearsay is admissible in the U.S. -- implying that the rules are different than in the U.K. In fact, the rules are pretty similar and in fact a little stricter in the U.S. So I think that your post was at best misleading and at worst a flat out lie. And really, "Hana?" Am I supposed to be insulted that you call me a girl's name? :shakes head sadly:

@ Elle

I am angry / negative? And you base this on the fact that I disagree with you? I would suggest that if one of us needs help it is you and not me. I am not the one trying to bolster my arguments by listing my IQ or telling people how many useless certifications I have. I am simply pointing out what I believe to be lies, misstatements, logic flaws, and erroneous reasoning. If you want to support Gary McKinnon on a public forum, go right ahead. But if people make false statements or poorly-thought-out arguments, then they should expect to be challenged.

Obviously I do not know you, but I have read enough of your rambling and occasionally barely-coherent posts to make a few educated guesses. Your posts are full of quotes from manuals rather than anecdotes from personal experience. This suggests that you have no meaningful experience with actually managing a large-scale network. In my experience, and I think most people who have a lot of actual IT experience will back me up on this, computer certifications (with the possible exception of a couple of the Cisco certifications) are completely worthless. at least in terms of giving an indication of one's actual knowledge and competency in the subject matter.

If I am correct, and you do not have a lot of experience managing large-scale networks (thousands of users), then I would suggest that you cut the people who do run such networks some slack. It is easy to say, "the manual says you should not leave default passwords." It is a very different thing to get thousands of users to follow your rules. This was especially true 8-10 years ago when a lot of the system automation tools were non-existent or in their infancy.

Perhaps I am wrong and I misjudged you. If so, then I apologize. If 8-10 years ago you were running mutli-thousand node networks and had no lousy passwords, then you did a great deal better than any of the people running the networks I saw back then.

And your statement about it being impossible to hide the truth or bury information, I rather think the opposite. There is so much information . . . or data . . . available that it is impossible to sort through it all. Where once there were "Renaissance Men" who knew about many subjects, now people have to study their whole lives to be knowledgable about even the smallest area. If every loon can post information and viewpoints without any real effort, how do you tell what is truth and what falsehood? The Truth may be out there, but good luck finding it.

- Han

Han, it's pretty obvious who you are and who you are acting on behalf which is why you spend so much of your time on this website.

Brian Howes and his wife were LEGALLY selling hundreds of chemicals online including Iodine (marked for medical use only) and phosphorous. All of which is totally legal in the U.K

He was legally registered with the Home Office and broke no rules whatsoever.

Because a few criminals in the United States bought legal drugs from th U.K and used these drugs to contribute to making Crystal Meths (which is an illegal drug) does not make Brian Howes and his wife guilty of anything.

This is the U.S throwing it's weight around again and making its self more unpopular than ever.

If someone in the U.K buys a Baseball Bat and beats someone to death with it, we don't then try and extradite the shopkeeper that sold the bat because that is just plain stupid....
but it seems this is what the U.S is now attempting to do to U.K citizens that have committed no crime in their own country.

I watched a TV programme about U.S soldiers stationed in Britain during world war 2 and by all accounts they were good people that were kind to British children and they were popular in the U.K with adults and children, so just what the hell has happened!
The U.S government has become the Bully of the world and is deeply unpopular and this is causing bad feeling against Americans from people in every corner of the globe.

I know there are a lot of damn good Americans out there but your comments are ruining the reputation of Americans. You are so hard, so suspicious and have such a domineering unjust attitude and appear to have no compassion whatsoever.
Go out and prosecute actual murderers and real terrorists but for Gods sake stop coming out guns blazing with your gung ho attitude wanting to shoot on site both the innocent as in Brian Howes case and those guilty of low level crime (such as Gary)
It is so unbecoming and is creating seriously bad feeling between our two countries.
Look after your own side of the pond and your own criminals and start trying to build a good relationship with people from around the world.
If you keep alienating the Brits you'll only have Israel left as your friend and why do you want to ruin every friendship you have by continuing to bully and thereby destyroying the reputation of Americans.

Maybe you're just lonely Han and you have found people to converse with on this site and that's why you're on here more than most, or maybe this is your job,the most likely explanation.

Sad kind of job to destroy relationships betwen two countries.

The U.S is currently targeting our bookmakers, our hoteliers, our Airline Excutiives and our entrepeneurs for extradition but some are allowed to pay "Millions of pounds" in fines and are then "allowed" to stay in the U.K
The current U.S extortion and bullying tactics are very similar to that of the Mafia that were prevelant during prohibition.

I liked the good Americans that stood up and fought for Human Rights and Freedoms and didn't try and dominate our planet.

Loosen up.
I say angry and negative because you spend alot of your

time attacking people personally on this blog instead of

sticking to the topic of Gary McKinnon.

The people here can all handle you disagreeing with fact,

theories and opinions of others, this is not a problem.

But when someone comes on to a blog and just starts

slinging insults and namecalling and accusations ( not

unlike the house legislature! ) well - the environment

becomes like an elementary school play ground at recess.

No order no control no purpose and loud and unpleasant.

What I like to see on a blog is everyone sticking to topic

and this includes pro and con comments - with no

namecalling and insults. Then it is less like USENET and

more like a university campus debate. Very grown up and

effective.

The other day - I went through all of the data on the

internet related to Gary McKinnon and read / listened to

all of it till it dissapeared from the google search

engine. I think we were at page 24. I wanted to get a

better idea of what actually occured and compare

journalistic entries.

This case interests me so much because I am in the IT

field, of course, but also because after all of my useless

education and certifications and ongoing research and

daily schedule as an administrator it is quite easy for me

to see that Gary McKinnon did not do anything bad. He

walked in to an unconfigured admin account that obviously

had no security structure and snooped around files moving

from pc to pc and then installed a harmless and common

program and once accidentally deleted a file. Then he left

a note alerting admins about security levels.

Everyday on my network I see people who obviously want to

get in to conduct destructive or incideous activities. All

over the log files I see them. These are persons of a

different type. Not like Gary, they intend to do damage.

Damage entails:

- installing a harmful virus or botnet
- deleting whole hard drives or databases
- altering information destroying its integrity
- using resources for criminal purposes as in a DDoS
( destributed denial of service )

There is a lot of people out there whom just like to reep

havok on other people. There is a lot of people out there

who have private agendas. But my lifes experience has

shown me that there is no standing on a fense. You are

either a good person or a bad person. There is no

inbetween. No grey area. And Gary is clearly a good

person. He did no intentional malicious damage to the

system and reported the security breach to the

authorities. I only hope that if anyone ever breaches my

systems that this is what they do for me. The most

honourable 'hacker' is one like this, that just looks

around the system and then lets you know of the problem.

Hacking and pen testing are very close to each other.

Testing my own systems even makes me nervous sometimes.

You have to call the service provider and let them know

there may be suspicious activity occuring on the network

and dont forget the waiver! I have heard and seen many

cases of IT professinals being canned or charged or

implicated in an alleged crime. Everyone is so paranoid

about knowledgeable IT people that there is a kind of

hysteria. The threat of identity theft, electronic banking

frauds, government secret budgets revealed, corporation

loosing millions on the stock market due to website

attacks. This has made it so that anyone who knows

something about computers is a threat. This affects me.

In my eyes he is clearly innocent. And to see this good

man facing 70 years at Guantanamo is a complete outrage.

Save that for someone who really does hack into the

systems and conduct damage or worse for some evil purpose

related to killing masses of people and such terror or

terroristic activities. Gary is not this profile. Neither

are the people like me who know too much.

I figured out this morning the reason that the U.S. government throws out the rule book in some cases. Extraterrestrials.

Back in '72 or '73 I saw a U.F.O. over the military base on which I was serving in the U.S. Army. Strangely enough, an older man was with me who also observed it and made some long forgotten comments. Currently, I exposed the learning situation used on Betty Hill to make her remember (learn) the Star Map. Of course, Gary got some useful information about the Star Fleet (the Janet Flights weren't named for his mother). Now, a Pakistani woman who has a UK Member of Parliament fighting on her behalf, was a subject of the US throwing out the rule-book. She was involved with computers and mind-control (learning).

There's a thresh-hold involving - among other things - the areas of U.F.Os., mind-control, and computers (remember, according to Lt. Col. Corso, ret. and mrd., extraterrestrials gave us computers), which the U.S. military\industrial complex, uses as an excuse to throw away the rule book. The thresh-hold continues to lengthen because "no holds barred" is re-inforcing (rewarding) for them.

Gary crossed it. From the way that my country has liberated me, I crossed it, too - thank God.

In a Dutch newspaper (the magazine appears 6 times the year) is an article about energy for our future (title "energy in 2020...").
I have it from an audio video shop, in the Netherlands. You can read in digital form too, but its in dutch. Page 4 http://www.debeterewereld.nl/documenten/digi-magazine9/magazine.html (nov-dec 2008)

One part i translated, thought was something like "Free Energy" from Ufo's (i don't know). Here it is for you:

======
..Besides...., magnetism is a future rich renewable energy source.
There is now an engine on the market that purely on the permanent magnets work, and requires no external energy source. The engine also has no energy needed to start. The device connected to a dynamo generates 60 kiloWatts of electricity, enough to power a house needs. With the current draft would even a device of 4 megawatts be built. That is just the first generation.

Harsh reality - nine one one most likely occured because of lax

security. Some bad hacker got in and obviously had an evil agenda -

sighted war games and used the format for the attack. Thats my theory.

Thanks to Gary McKinnon bringing the security issue to the attention

of the american military administrators maybe the level of security

will improve and this will not likely occur in the future.

Harsh reality - Gary McKinnon should be seen as an asset and a hero

for stepping up and reporting the security flaw - but instead he is

being treated like a criminal.

This is not the first time this type of situation has occured.
IT pro finds security flaw - reports flaw - is charged with crime.
Why is this? And what is going to happen to other security issues that

are discovered by pros but are NOT reported due to the hassle involved

and possible bogus legal accusations? No IT experts are going to

report flaws anymore!!! Bad hackers will be free to conduct more and

more nine elevens!

Do the American tax payers even know that the nine one one event

probably occured due to lax security on the military network? Or has

bush hidden this truth from their eyes...

well. once again han proves he only has a go at people he feels aren't educated. i, for one, now have him on the 'ignore' list. he's at the top because he's the first and only entry so far. quite an achievement.

i look forward to us all ignoring him, neither reading nor responding to his articulate but unenlightened posts.

I heard a rumor from the source - that if Gary is going to be extradited and face those 70 years in guantanamo - the elite all over the planet are going to be pissed for all the 70 years.

Hope the security problems are all sorted out.

Security isnt important since it has to do with ufo technology. Open "your eyes". This means BANKRUPT (to all oil companys).

These "striking lame and stupid things" is what you get for.

=for those who doesnt know=
The same is happening with these:
- aspartame, sucralose (dangerous and still sells)
Non promoting of:
Alternative Cancer, Aids,.. cheap healing (to 100%) methods (exists)

Believe me or just let it stay as it is, or search yourselve to find out.

Some people, but most the richest ones does keeps this going, because they have the power to let it happen.
This includes: lies, faking past stories/happenings,...

YOU ARE HANDLING AGAINST THEM.

If you love God, then He loves you like you do.
non anonymous

Why doesnt they look to what Bush and their friends did?

The only question that needs to be answered.

The only things that needs attention.

The ones that needs to be jailed.

Stop this lame treath. See and believe

http://wearechange.org.uk/pages/subpages/websites.html
http://wearechange.org.uk/pages/learn.html

There is power in numbers.

A while back I would spend a lot of my energy as an activist trying to make change. Nothing that was done ever made a difference in any way. It was while I was working for Greenpeace that I discovered that the way to success was boycottes.

Greenpeace single handedly put an end to the seal hunt here in Canada by getting consumers to stop buying the products made of seals.

So one day I was thinking about the horrible mess we have got each other in - on this planet. Then I realized that if there was a big enough mass of people boycotting the same product - we would have the power to make governments and corporations change policy!

This is what is needed to be done. I am working on a website that includes two large databases. One listing all products on the market that are for sale. One listing all crown corporations, companies and subsiduaries and their ethical policy and activities. Cross it over an it tells consumers what to buy, what not to buy.

Any one interested in assisting on this labour of love let me knonw. It is a big project but I believe it would work.

If you ask why the UK is showing finally ufo secret files, then maybe look at this: ;-)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_michael__080220_confirmation__26_updat.htm

or

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/unmeeting.html

Elle you said "Power in numbers"

I posted a comment yesterday, but it didnt show?
Here is it again. Left out the alien draws pictures on walls in Egypt out, this may not be forgotten. Its one proove for you.

http://www.talk2000.nl/mediawiki/index.php/James_Casbolt
(Maybe you seen and know already)

[www.jamescasbolt.com]

Hi Elle, this is crazy, i got questions.
If that above post is not made by you, then i'm held for a joke.

How do the aliens or Greys get to you (window, door,..)? You have to live in a house that is away from the city i think, because they need to land on a place where no one can see.
How have they stole/take genetic samples from you, how many times? Do they speak? How afraid were you?

Genetic samples could been used for clone(s).

[you don't need to answer my questions]

Ya, I know it sounds crazy.
This is why I don't talk about it much except for my family and close friends.
No, they don't need to land. They hide in manufactured clouds.
They use a sonic device that makes people go into a deep undisturbed REM sleep in the area. Then teleport in. Give you anesthesia. Take you wherever.
Extract ova the same as in an regular operation with high-tech equipment. Probably 7 times in my lifetime. They speak without moving their lips.
As it started when I was quite young, I was not afraid. And they give sedatives just like you would for a captive animal that is taken to be tagged by people. Because I have had so much anesthesia in my lifetime I developed a very high tolerance and it has a lessened effect on me now. So I cannot be put under unless I receive an overdose - which of course would kill me, so that and my age now I think are the reasons why the Greys have no interest in me anymore. The last time I saw the Blues was in 1997 and I lived on a acreage at the time. They did not use any sedatives that time - it was one on one.

Hope that answers your questions.
I wont talk about this anymore.

Elle thank you for the explanation. The answser is complete for me.

Take care.

Today I did a lot of legal research on the whole extradition topic and discovered some interesting points.

The suggested extradition template was developed by the United Nations back quite some time ago.

After that the separate countries drafted their separate Extradition Acts and eventually had them brought to force. see links above

Not all countries have a treaty and it looks like this has no relation to being a member country or not.

The extradition treaty is relatively new legislation on the scale of legal evolution and has has many problems, revisions and abuse.

I wish to bring it to the attention of people, that in the UN, the biggest offender against common good is the USA. They were told not to invade the countries they have and did so anyway.

The US currently has motions against it for the natzi like guantanamo camp and continues anyway running this place even though, particularely in appplication of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The Universal Declarationof Human Rights being the most importaqnt piece of legislation ever written by the human race. This is what separates us from the nazi mentality. It was written after the halocast, need I remind everyone, in an attemp to stop any such thing ever happening again on this planet.

I believe that our future on this planet is always in a constant state of evolution and revelation. And I believe that despite the evil force that lives within all creatures in the universe, we daily have a decision as to what we support.

It is obvious to me that the US is reverting to nazi like activity and if you out there - do not want to live that reality - then the time is NOW to approach the authorities and put a stop to it. This iincludes the US abuse of the extradition treaty.

http://www.talk2000.nl/mediawiki/index.php/James_Casbolt

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=extradition%20treaty&url=/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00003184----000-.html

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=%2018%20U.S.C.%20%A7%203181.&url=/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00003181----000-notes.html

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/GeneralAssembly/Agn65/Resolutions/AGN65RES12.asp

http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/45/a45r116.htm

Some articles for reading (more on the site)

http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2008m12d18-Did-UKs-hacker-Gary-Mckinnon-find-NASA-ufo-fraud

http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2008m12d22-EU-space-official-supports-UFO-disclosure--says-NASA-cant-be-trusted

http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2008m12d23-CEO-of-NASA-contractor-Lockheed-knew-of-extraterrestrial-UFO-visitors

http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2008m12d17-Serious-UFO-articles-could-save-Rocky-Mountain-News

Spread to friends:

http://www.garymckinnon.co.uk/page_1225627798317.html

The link on the above site [www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?AAA12345&1] you need to copy. Clicking on it doesnt open for me the site.

I think the US owes you big time. Contrary to the claims they have made against Gary, the allegations of a alleged crime. Correct me if I am wrong but, I understand any charges that the UK made long, long time ago, had been dropped. And the claims of the US of any wrongdoing are still mere claims - nothing has been proven or dispelled. Gary is still an innocent man, and I believe that if He gets a FAIR trial in the UK He will be proven innocent from a "technical perspective". What I mean is - as an IT Specialist - a default login is not a crime and many other points that I have outlines here on this site.

So, this a given, the US owes you a major appology, a huge thank-you forinforming them of the security flaw and saving them from another disaster like nine one one. As well, though, after reading the articles posted by non anonymous, Gary is due for a huge 'debt recovery' payment for exposing the lax security on the US military systems. I am not sure how much tax payers money they recieve each year - but obviously they did not do their job and thus owe the american citizens an explaination as well as a refund. Basically, they failed the american public - to protect and represent. Maybe families of loved ones lost should persue litigation, I know I would.

Tekst from the third link (above) in my post (December 26, 2008 5:52 AM) :

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7. It was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told [about ufos and extraterrestrials]. He believed they could not handle the truth -- ever.
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Handling the truth, is like going to shop yourselve, learning, finding out something new,.....

Its not as when knowing that you have to die tomorrow [sorry]. We don't die with knowing about ufo's. (There are people out there, who is told (by the doktor) that they have less to live).

Telling the public is keeping the public up to date, finally this is something that need to be done for asking something, its called "support and attention"

"Ufo technology for war"
On the link about the past,etc
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hitlersufo.html

[Remove this comment please lastly after two days, to not wake depressieve thoughts]

Non Anonymous

If the Natzi's are still alive and well (living in USA?) and they have alien technology - then I would say that anyone non compliant is SOL.

I have only one comforting thought on this. The Blues did tell me that if there was ever a war by humans such that the planet is in jepardy, that they were going to step in and take over.

Elle

Computers are (space) alien technology (Lt. Col. Corso). Contact with (space) aliens is unlawful in the U.S.A. One more excuse allowing the U.S. to do whatever they want to us.

GOOD NEWS: (space) alien technology changes the users physically (psysiologically, biologically, genetically, anatomically = our brains). Just like it did 10,000+ years ago.

I, myself, do feel different than I did pre-computer.

CORRECTION: thousands, not 101 Nazi scientists from Germany, came to America during Operation Paper-clip. It makes my flesh crawl. But, now I know what happened to America.

The current President Bush was prescient-enough to avoid participation in the Vietnam War and therefore, did not get involved in any war crimes. What a guy. Maybe his lapse concerning "dogging" Gary to the extent of the "grandfather-like clause" to extradite Gary, was Prescott Bush, who sided with Nazi Germany even after the U.S. declared war, catching up with him.

Let's do the math. Nazi Germany + U.F.Os. + the Bush family + torture + U.S. government violations of all laws not being violations

Better yet, do the source code, courtesy of (space) alien technology:

ADD Nazi Germany, U.F.Os.
................;Add (space) alien technology
................;affecting human psysiology
................;to the Eugenicists
0000
................;Not bad enough yet,
MOV America,Nazi Germany
................;Move Nazi racists to America
................;Operation Paper-clip
MOV Miltary Industrial Complex,U.F.Os.
................;Move physically altering
................;(space) alien technology
................;to the M.I.C.
MOV President Bush,Prescott Bush
................;Move a winner into the White
................;House
ADD Military Industrial Complex,Torture
................;Torture = Control
ADD Military Industrial Complex,U.S. Government Violations...
................;torture is legal or not
................;illegal = Control
CMP Nazi Germany,U.S.A.
................;Compare
JNE 0000
................;Jump if Not-bad Enough

The whole Bush club is nazi himself (or whatever it is called), if you believe the 2nd video, i posted before

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4628461537770214767
(english voice, dutch subtitled, 3 hours)

This is all really fascinating stuff, and no wonder Gary wanted to know what information was being kept from us by NASA, the US military and government agencies (including our own government)
As this site now encompasses such a broad sweep of interest, the 'I Ching' reading i obtained a few weeks ago for Gary offers reassurance to him and his supporters. (i have my own copy, but readings can be obtained free on the internet).
To quote Daniel Pinchbeck in his book on 2012: "Far more than a divination system, the sixty-four hexagrams of the I Ching could be seen as a description or map of the processes of evolution, development, decay, and transformation as they are experienced by any organism, species, individual, or civilisation."
Gary got Hexagram 59, 'Dispersion' - with line six at the bottom, which is 'rescue with the aid of a good horse. Auspicious.' The long term outcome is 61, 'Understanding (Truth)'. The gist of the reading is that Gary may have to travel, but there will be benefit in doing so. The image of Hexagram 61 is:
"the ancient Chinese justice system was conducted by an examining magistrate. It was considered that penetrating enquiry produced an understanding which would avoid needless punishment. Here, the emphasis is upon penetrating understanding which transcends social, cultural or other differences between people."
Sounds a whole lot more civilised than what either our government or the current US administration has in mind, doesn't it? As i've consulted the I Ching over many years and it has never let me down yet, i believe Gary will be safe and free very soon. And just look at today's 'Guardian' - Gary is one of the "25 Brits who stole the show in 2008" A positive public affirmation at last!

The truth is out there.

It is in our lives. In our driveways.

All we need to do is to be brave and take it as our own.

If eveyyone on this planet refused to drive their cars in protest the non disclosure. It would start a chain reaction that would change everything. The markets would crash, the evil oil companies that have control would in one day loose control, natzi or whatever.

We would be in control and demand full disclosure.

Truth will set us free.

I'm remebering my old post

check Bush's friend, a video and website with a lie = "NIST":
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http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_videos/wtc_videos.html

(subtitle from video) "...That would have been an incredibly loud sound, and that sound was not picked up by any of the videos or witnesses
that we have talked to"
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Talked to the wall is done easily. Whats more important is that the complete video is lame.

Here's your proove from all arround the world:
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Save Gary

Can the date #20th January 2009# not be extend?
Lets say: Just to change simple things!!!
How is this date been choosen, who, and who is able to change it?

Below is the full Guardian Class of 25 article re-extradition and Gary, plus a link to the complete article on all 25 people that made their mark in 2008.

Gary McKinnon
For the past year, the US, with the acquiesence of our own Home Office, has been attempting to extradite Gary McKinnon, a 42-year-old computer hacker from north London. More than seven years ago, McKinnon, a self-confessed "bumbling computer nerd", who was curious about UFOs, had hacked into the computer systems of Nasa and the Pentagon. While taking a virtual stroll there, had left rude messages behind him such as, "Your security is crap." When he was initially arrested, the (British) police told McKinnon, who has Asperger's syndrome, the likeliest penalty for his hacking activities would be a community sentence and he has indicated his willingness to plead guilty if charged in the UK, where the offence was committed.

The US authorities, however, furious that an amateur had cracked their system and embarrassed them so royally, are not having it and would like to see him in the slammer in the States. One of the prosecuting team even remarked that he would like to "see him fry". In reality, he would face a few years in jail but, tarred with a "cyber-terrorist" brush, thanks to the nature of the charges, it would be a hellish time for a vulnerable man. McKinnon and his ragtag army of supporters, lawyers and family members are fighting the extradition every inch of the way and refusing to go gently. He has one final judicial review to go in January and growing cross-party support in his bid to be allowed to face trial here.
Duncan Campbell

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/29/2008-review-uk-celebrity

The Free Gary website has become really interesting.
Thank you Teresa for the "I Ching" information and the hopeful outcome.

A lot of trusted people have started having interesting dreams re-the outcome of Gary's case.

Elle, nonanon and HoneyBear will be interested to know that for the first time, UFO's have been "officially" included in Gary's case including transcripts from his original police interviews where he talks openly about his search for information on UFOs, anti gravity technology etc which clearly shows that Gary is the furthest thing from a terrorist that you could possibly get.

Thanks ;)

I gotta add something.

After reading everything on the links you'll get confused about 11/9. Something more than just "Bush" is going on there.
And for "free energy" maybe sad.

Wanted to show this picture too on the link:
[www.jamescasbolt.com/photos/page3.jpg]

Some parts from the link for those who didnt read the article on http://www.talk2000.nl/mediawiki/index.php/James_Casbolt

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There is currently an internal war raging in the global intelligence community regarding the alien agenda. This is between negative and positive factions. From my understanding one of the main negative factions is a group centred around MI6 and the CIA called ‘Aquarius‘. This group is covering up the truth, blatantly lying and discrediting or murdering anyone who gets too close to exposing what is going on. There is also a positive group centred around naval intelligence called ’Comm 12’ which is leaking accurate information regarding the alien agenda into the public arena.

When the missile (not plane) hit the pentagon on 9-11, it hit the naval intelligence section of the building. This was part of the internal war between Aquarius and Comm 12 being played out.

Aquarius has also enlisted the help of Hollywood and the mainstream media to twist the facts of the alien agenda and blind the public to the truth.

......

You may ask yourself how is this being covered up. As was mentioned at the beginning of the article, the same group working with the greys and reptilians which is MI6, CIA and the MIEC, own and control the mainstream media.
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"Free energy in use"

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The entrance to this underground base is in the Manzano mountains. Also at this location is the technological base of the secretive department of energy (DOE). Today free energy devices developed from grey and reptilian technology are being built for use in space at the DOE base.
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Searched and it looks like the Department of Energy (DOE) is working world wide!?

On the next link, a very old article, check this too. Expecially the article is for Elle (but also that on the above link) ;)

Source: The Leading Edge, February 1977
[www.geocities.com/Area51/shadowlands/6583/et006.html]

For an earlier posted website, i didnt added information about the page, here's it if you missed these (Original is in Japanese) :

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This web site is the translation of the one made by Mr.Toshio Hiji who insisted to have got telepathic messages from space-alliance. He predicted that there would be battles between two groups in the universe around the sun five years ago in his web site.

As it became true last year and many of his insistences were proven as the correct one, I decided to translate his web site into English. (There are some predictions which did not come true,though. But to my surprise I came to find those incorrect ones have some hidden purposes.)

[mito.cool.ne.jp/chinari21/forkEN.html]
[mito.cool.ne.jp/chinari21/ENcontents.html]

Good that the pursuit of truth (aliens) is included in the testimony. There is a lot of people that have had experiences with extraterrestrials and it should not be kept secret anymore. Especially since those in power are using the new technology for their own private benefit as well as lying to us, but still profiting from petroleum.

True that lots of people would have socio-psychological issues with the concept of life other than ours. But, I feel, this is mainly deeply religious people that would have their beliefs challenged.

Luckily for me, I have never been heavily religious. I believe in God, but not God as a man. Having always had a scientific mind, God to me is in everything in the form of energy. My lifelong experience with these beings was not all that tramatizing in itself. More so has been the lies and deciept by the governments. Because of the cover ups I have to live a lie - keep it secret - least it disturbs others. This has made it difficult for me to 'fit in' to society and social situations.

The benefit definitely for me was being inspired to seek new ways of living, doing things. Being better. That is the reason why I took engineering, to try to understand the physics of the enginne, so that I could build it. Petroleum killing our planet, casuing wars, keeping our twisted impartial econonomics running. If there was an alternative to oil - we would be free from this. Think.

It is critical-mass that the people know the truth.

A bit about DOE (Department of Energy),NNSA (National Nuclear Security Administration,etc for you. (enough on the internet)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Nuclear_Security_Administration

(scrol below the adds, More on index of the site)
[www.espionageinfo.com/Ne-Ns/NNSA-United-States-National-Nuclear-Security-Administration.html]

World wide and maybe not everything..? :P
[www.insc.anl.gov]

Forgot this one (as last)

[www.espionageinfo.com/De-Eb/DOE-United-States-Department-of-Energy.html]

Thanks

To make it a little more complete.
The articles always shows that were in danger (sorry).

[www.dldewey.com/columns/schnidrf.htm]
or
[www.mt.net/~watcher/phils.html]

Some Underground Bases (locations)
[educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml]

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Corporations that are currently assisting the various alien groups and the "black government" are:
Standard Oil, Lockheed,Northrop, McDonald-Douglas, AT&T, IT&T, the A. Matthews Construction company, the Robbins Company, the Utah Mining Company, nd a host of others.
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What kinda energy is this?
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...in these fuel cells, they mix chlorine and hydrogen and electricity is created, as well as hydrogen chloride, which is then reseparated again into hydrogen and chlorine. The process continues forever, creating electricity forever. It never wears out, apparently. (JW I've
never heard of that one before.)
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read all on:
[home.wanadoo.nl/mufooz/Nwo-mc/English/The%20Greys%20And%20The%20Secret%20Government.htm]

Different power/energy technologies:[www.sri.com/focus_areas/environment.html]

Don't miss this one:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/aliens/omega_file_txt.htm"

About underground bases in America:
[www.thewatcherfiles.com/dumb.htm]

May i be the first to wish everyone on this site a happy new year, and the light of understanding to its detractors as well. F.G., thank you for keeping it going all this time- if there was a people's new year Honours list untainted by our 'morally corrupt'(to quote the bishops) government, you surely would be on it for services to the cause of truth and justice.
No doubt there are hard times to come, but there must be freedom for Gary in 2009 - and surely also an end to the unfair extradition fix-up.
I'm really glad Jay has found the threads interesting, things are going to get a lot more so in the run up to 2012! Adrian Gilbert, Barbara Hand Clow, and Daniel Pinchbeck are among the foremost authorities on this for those who would like to know more. i for one can't wait to see the back of G.Brown and co!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Gary says a HUGE THANK YOU to you all!!! and Wishes you a Wonderful 2009, as do we.

Hope it's a Good one for everyone and a better and more Peaceful year for the World.

Very Best Wishes

From Gary & Family

and THANK YOU!!!

THANK YOU fg, you are a Truly Amazing Person and we Hope 2009 is a Stunning Year For You!!!

Gary has been so Lucky to have your incredible and unwavering support.
Without you we would have been lost. Your knowledge and advice has been invaluable and you have helped us so much.

Without this website we would never have heard from some of the Amazing people that have come on board to help and to support Gary and to share some truly original ideas and offers of help.

THANK YOU!!!

Janis (& a HUGE THANK YOU FROM GARY)

hecking out some legal issues today.
Question:: Definining attributes of a 'terrorist'.

Gary's charges are not applicable 'terrorist' attempts.

Extradition Treaty designed for high profile cases like espianage ect.

Has there been a Motion against application of extradition in Gary's case on these grounds?

It looks like to me - that the US is attempting to persue Gary as the cause of nine one one. Or that also suggests that Gary works for the UK on some UK terrorist attempt on US.

When in fact, the evidence I have posted regarding technical / administration facts proves that indeed the .mil administrators, management, due to their negligence, taken right from "The Common Body of Knowledge" that has 'textbook" acceptance in the IT field are the offenders in this and should be held accountable and be charged for 'crimes against their country, treason, terrorism or whatever else suitable such as murder of all those people who lost their lives in nine one one due to a compromised military network.

After searching for a clear and concise definition for 'terrorist' and not finding one, it occured to me that nor is an 'act of terrorism' clearly defined either.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=or&vol=S52042&invol=1

http://www.leg.state.or.us:8765/query.html?col=2meas07&qt=terrorism&charset=iso-8859-1

http://www.leg.state.or.us/99orlaws/sess0900.dir/0923ses.html

The 'War on Terror" looks like does not include miss managed government resources such as the entire NASA network.

But private companies in US must abide by strick guidelines and embargos, lest they somehow support terror or fund a terrorist venture.

The US Military - however - can be so negligent as to leave their systems wide f***ing open so that ANY one can enter and snoop around topo secret documents and war games strategies, but this is not considered an act of terror or treason....

Then they cover it all up, order a news ban in North America, try to yank Gary and make him vanish from the public eye.

How's that theory? I think its about right. "Maybe there was something more to the tainted truth. Maybe something like - it was an inside job - crafted by Bush - so that the US could go to war again and increase tha cost of petroleum as well as stimulate the US economy via usage of bullets, bombs, ect. The same ol formula that the human race seems to be convinced is the ONLY way to run a civilization.

Pathetic. Disgusting. Evil.

It should be illegal for a President of a country to have a below average IQ.

Like I said long time ago, maybe its a better deal if we blow ourselves up and let the aliens take over.

Can someone help me with the year 2,012 C.E. that was mentioned above? One book states that Day One was August 12 in the year 3,113 B.C.E. and another book states the 13th. Neither one clarifes Day One by stating that Day One started at sun-down and lasted until sun-down the next day, by the modern calendar. So I celebrate two Day Ones. The other bears think I got into some funny honey.

Concerning the integration of hardware into social-psychology. The most popular current C.P.Us. include a math co-processor. There's only about 100 Assembly language commands which correspond to about 300 machine language commands that are necessary to correspond fluently, not counting the much fewer co-processor commands. Such a small vocabulary is very easy to memorize.

If we modify the English language (a high-level) language so that it more closely resembles either Assembly language or machine language, then we could, for example, make a statement that would involve mathematics and provide an immediate result, instead of us doing the math which would be seemlessly fitted into our conversation, as we're talking.

The co-processor part of C.P.Us. would be intimately part of our daily lives (though, external to our bodies).

Not only that, but when two or more people communicate in Assembly or Machine language, they would know quite a bit about the mathematics that are being run by the math co-processor. In other words, the syntax and the form of the programme Assembly or Machine language commands used to get our message across would give us an insight into the mathematics being run by the co-processor.

We would be smarter and civilization would truthfully progress at a much faster pace than it is progressing now.

I entered the previous post only once. Can a virus be a dumb-terminal with a case of the echos?

About a week ago, on CNN, on the Larry King Live show, Stanton Friedman and some former U.S. military officers, discussed current U.F.O. capabilities and some of their current books.

I think that Friedman got it right. Governments cover up U.F.Os. because if they revealed their information, then they would have to form a world wide confederation and thereby give up the control that they currently have.

He also said that Extraterrestrials are very active now in order to quarenteen (?=spelling,) us because our technology is about to enable us to spread our hostile culture beyond our solar system. He would have the answers if anyone would.

@ Honeybear - I cannot see how assembly language can ever be easier or more efficient than a real human language is for communications between humans. Neither computer nor human languages actually require the users to understand any of the fundamental mathematics or physics which underpin them.

Discussing that topic here is not relevant to Gary McKinnon's struggle against extradition to the USA.

Regarding duplicate blog postings - there is an ongoing problem which the web space provider has acknowledged and replicated with their relatively recently changed reverse proxy server load balancing infrastructure, which tends to display a blank page after the submit button is clicked on the comment form, which often leads to multiple postings as people double or triple click etc.

I usually manage to unpublish the duplicates eventually.

So true. If the governments were to reveal the fact that extraterrestrials do exist - there would be serious questions.

Governments forming a confederation? No, I don't think so. No petroleum profit in it.

Humans are defined by their civilization values. Therefore to a foreign race we are unethical profiteers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4109031/Government-plans-to-extend-powers-to-spy-on-personal-computers.html

The single most important lesson I have learned about "foreign visitors" is ethics. What makes one ethical. What makes one unethical.

If I have the technology to do anything I want to and noone can stop me. Does that make it right - just?

Is it OK to let children starve to death, animals go extinct and the environment die for profit?

All the religious confusion and wars on this planet prove only one thing - that is - even got it wrong.

There is only good and evil in the universe. No Gods to save us but ourselves.

I remember once all dopped up asking the greys why they took from me without asking. They said because their race was dying and needed genetics to survive...

Right or wrong?
Good or bad?
Ethical or unethical?

The forces which run our planet are unethical. Profit based. And if the individual does not do anything to stop it - take action. We are doomed. Governments serve governments NOT THE PEOPLE. We have the technology to change this. Thanks to technology we don't need them anymore. All of us can make decisions right from our home computers. Why have a select group of people impartial to the attitudes and desires of the citizens make critical decisions?

Decisions like supporting the Duke oil campaign - The War on Terror - anyone who opposes the regiem will be extradited and sent to guantanamo. Did you vote this in? I didn't. Who did?

Here are links to two stories on Gary featuring interviews with Peter Howson the artist. One in the Times and one in the Scotsman.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5454618.ece

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Peter-Howson39s-portrait-of-injustice.4842317.jp

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www.cleveland-police.com/tag/extradition-act

On signing the Extradition Act 2003, the then home secretary, David Blunkett, removed the obligation on US law enforcement agencies to present British courts with prima facie evidence of criminality. Thanks to the Royal Prerogative, the treaty became law without parliamentary debate, which means that the US must only provide “written information” relating to an alleged wrongdoing.
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Please Note: The recent links are all Factual ones.

As Gary was searching for info on UFO's and Free Energy it's fair enough that UFO supporters can express their UFO type views by adding a few links, it does no harm to anyone.

Anyway who really knows what does and what doesn't exist. At least Gary's supporters have stuck by him for seven years and it's good that they can converse together on this website with all of the different views held.

Unity of all types of people is usually a Good Thing.

I like that this website makes room for all types of views from intelligent Alien believers to very practical intelligent political activists.

We all support Gary.

What moron out there spinned the words and phrases 'terror' ,'terrorist' and 'war on terror'?
I have been searching and searching for a clear and concise legal definition of these terms and have not been successful in uncovering any legal description to these words. Is there some legal beagal out there that can cite me an act that lists the definition in the intro? Please - Thankyou.

Gary is NOT a terrorist.
Why is he being treated like one?
Extradition is for high crime cases.
He did'nt even break the law - REM - builtin default admin/enter...
He did no damage on an already compromised .mil systems

Any Judges listening?
Gary intended no malice. You know intention is everything.

I am no lawyer and even I could prove this man is innocent. He hasn't even been charged with a crime. There is only an information that does not require sustanciated evidence of alleged illegal activities.

And the morons in Britain buy the whole thing cause bush said so.

Logically - if you forgot to lock down your military network and something awfull happened - who's fault is it?

This whole case is a smear on the US Military's role of nine one one - put the focus on Gary instread.

An innocent and good man.

Elle, your above post raises some questions. Who in the British or American governments called Gary a terrorist?

For Honeybear

They are trying to charge Gary with Terrorist Act No1. I hope that helps.

CRIMINAL JUSTICE (TERRORIST OFFENCES) ACT 2005

Definitions for Part 2.

4.—In this Part—

“Framework Decision” means the Framework Decision on Combating Terrorism adopted by the Council of the European Union at Luxembourg on 13 June 2002, the text of which is set out for convenience of reference in—

(b) Part 2 of Schedule 1, in the case of the English language text;

“terrorist activity” means an act that is committed in or outside the State and that—

(a) if committed in the State, would constitute an offence specified in Part 1 of Schedule 2, and

(b) is committed with the intention of—

(i) seriously intimidating a population,

(ii) unduly compelling a government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing an act, or

(iii) seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a state or an international organisation;

“terrorist group” has the same meaning as in the Framework Decision;

“terrorist-linked activity” means an act—

(a) that is committed in or outside the State and that—

(i) if committed in the State, would constitute an offence specified in Part 2 of Schedule 2, and

(ii) is committed with a view to engaging in a terrorist activity,

or

(b) that is committed in or outside the State and that—

(i) if committed in the State, would constitute an offence specified in Part 3 of Schedule 2, and

(ii) is committed with a view to engaging in a terrorist activity or with a view to committing an act that, if committed in the State, would constitute an offence under section 21 or 21A of the Act of 1939.

Terrorist groups.

5.—(1) A terrorist group that engages in, promotes, encourages or advocates the commission, in or outside the State, of a terrorist activity is an unlawful organisation within the meaning and for the purposes of the Offences against the State Acts 1939 to 1998 and section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1976 .

bla bla bla ...

(5) To avoid doubt, the fact that a person engages in any protest, advocacy or dissent, or engages in any strike, lockout or other industrial action, is not of itself a sufficient basis for inferring that the person is carrying out an act with the intention specified in paragraph (b) of the definition of “terrorist activity” in section 4 .

(6) Where a person is charged with an offence under subsection (1), which in the opinion of the Attorney General was committed in or outside the State with the intention of—

(a) unduly compelling the government of a state (other than a member state of the European Union) to perform or abstain from performing an act, or

(b) seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of such a state,

then, notwithstanding anything in this Act, no further proceedings in the matter (other than any remand in custody or on bail) may be taken except with the consent of the Attorney General.

(7) Where in proceedings for the offence of engaging in or attempting to engage in a terrorist activity—

(a) it is proved that the accused person committed or attempted to commit an act—

(i) that constitutes an offence specified in Part 1 of Schedule 2, or

(ii) that, if committed in the State, would constitute an offence referred to in subparagraph (i),

and

(b) the court is satisfied, having regard to all the circumstances including those specified in subsection (8), that it is reasonable to assume that the act was committed, or the attempt was made, with the intention of—

(i) seriously intimidating a population,

(ii) unduly compelling a government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing an act, or

(iii) seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a state or an international organisation,

the accused person shall be presumed, unless the court is satisfied to the contrary, to have committed or attempted to commit the act with that intention.

(8) The circumstances referred to in subsection (7), include—

(a) whether the act or attempt referred to in subsection (7)(a)—

(i) created or was likely to create a collective danger to the lives or physical integrity of persons,

(ii) caused or was likely to cause serious damage to a state or international organisation, or

(iii) caused or was likely to result in major economic loss,

and

(b) any other matters that the court considers relevant.

(9) Where the Director of Public Prosecutions considers that another Member State of the European Communities has jurisdiction to try a person for any act constituting an offence under this section, the Director—

(a) shall co-operate with the appropriate authority in that other Member State, and

(b) may have recourse to any body or mechanism established within the European Communities in order to facilitate co-operation between judicial authorities,

with a view to centralising the prosecution of the person in a single Member State where possible.


Question: Was this a terrorist activity as per definition?
1. Did Gary intend to:
a.seriously intimidating a population - NO
b.unduly compelling a government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing an act, or - NO
c.seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a state or an international organisation; - NO
Question: Was the act part of a terrorist group as per definition?
2. Did Gary commit an offense of:
a.engages in a terrorist activity or a terrorist-linked activity - NO
b.attempts to engage in a terrorist activity or a terrorist-linked activity - NO
c.makes a threat to engage in a terrorist activity - NO
d.an offence under section 21 or 21A of the Act of 1939 - NO
e.an offence under section 6 of the Act of 1998 - NO
f.is committed for the benefit of a legal person established in the State - NO
g.is directed against the State or a citizen - NO
h.is directed against an institution of the European Union that is based in the State, or a body that is based in the State and is set up in accordance with the Treaty establishing the European Community or the Treaty on European Union. - NO
3. To avoid doubt...of the definition of “terrorist activity” did Gary:
a.intention of unduly compelling the government of a state (other than a member state of the European Union) to perform or abstain from performing an act - NO
b.seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of such a state - NO
c.intention of seriously intimidating a population - NO
d.created or was likely to create a collective danger to the lives or physical integrity of persons -NO
e.caused or was likely to cause serious damage to a state or international organisation - NO
f.caused or was likely to result in major economic loss - NO

This test establishes Gary to NOT BE A TERRORIST in any way.

The Extradition Act
Limmitations - logically there must be strict guidelines for what offences may be extraditable and what is not. Sounds good? To me it should not be an extraditable offence but any thing other than a serious high profile offense.

Etraditable offenses.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/act/pub/0049/sec0011.html#partiii-sec11

Bla bla bla...
Sounds like to me that extradition is based on the seriousness of the offense in terms of punishment. I think I recall that Gary was originally charged under Computer Missuse Act - and it was a very short sentense. Correct? So how is this an extraditable offense? I don't see it - I am a layman, a meer engineer - could some legal professional explain for me how this man is seen as a terroriost and is being made to face extradition? And also, a second question please, if Gary was charged originally under the Computer Missuse Act does this not set the bases for the extradition test? Call me stupid, but what grounds was this legally overlooked?

If you confuse that the news from nasa is fake (including the current news in the newspapers about Spirit and Opportunity), then check Nasa fraud:

[www.geocities.com/nasascam]
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home [www.enterprisemission.com]
videos, example on link: [52.thelastoutpost.com/video-4/nasa/interview-with-richard-hoagland.html]
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Typ Nasa fraud or Nasa fake in google.

Our moon may be full of aliens

Elle

Our thoughts exactly !!!!

Still thinking terrorist here. What if we apply the test to the US and Bush. They are guilty of:
1. concealing information
2. killed for oil overseas
3. manipulated stock market
4. inside job nine one one
5. natzi like threats
6. destroying environment

Question: Was this a terrorist activity as per definition?
1. Did they intend to:
a.seriously intimidating a population - YES
b.unduly compelling a government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing an act, or - YES
c.seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a state or an international organisation; - YES
Question: Was the act part of a terrorist group as per definition?
2. Did they commit an offense of:
a.engages in a terrorist activity or a terrorist-linked activity - YES
b.attempts to engage in a terrorist activity or a terrorist-linked activity - YES
c.makes a threat to engage in a terrorist activity - YES
d.an offence under section 21 or 21A of the Act of 1939 - YES
e.an offence under section 6 of the Act of 1998 - YES
f.is committed for the benefit of a legal person established in the State - YES
g.is directed against the State or a citizen - YES
h.is directed against an institution of the European Union that is based in the State, or a body that is based in the State and is set up in accordance with the Treaty establishing the European Community or the Treaty on European Union. - YES
3. To avoid doubt...of the definition of “terrorist activity” did they:
a.intention of unduly compelling the government of a state (other than a member state of the European Union) to perform or abstain from performing an act - YES
b.seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of such a state - YES
c.intention of seriously intimidating a population - YES
d.created or was likely to create a collective danger to the lives or physical integrity of persons -YES
e.caused or was likely to cause serious damage to a state or international organisation - YES
f.caused or was likely to result in major economic loss - YES

This test establishes them to BE A TERRORIST in every way.

Treason
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

Looks to me they are guilty of treason as well by definition.

Want Gary to know that there are literally billions of people on His side, Billions of people that do not want all the corruption and evil that is on this planet. Want Gary to know that everyone loves Him and that what He did - try to expose the truth and free us - is quite possibly the most honourable and heroic thing anyone in recorded history has ever done. Feel assured, that we support you completely.

In 1997 I lived on an acerage far from the city. There I had my own computer lab. When I got tired of messing with the internet I'd study something. I had studied all kinds of things like dentistry, mechanics and organic farming. That's when I started studying law.

From my studies, I am sure that there are something called 'Rules of Court', 'limmitations' and 'Abuse of Process". Let me explain - Rules of Court is a manual that outlines how to approach a judge, file a motion - like a technical manual of operations and proceedures. Limmitations specifies applications of law and when it is legal to apply a law or when a rule has been broken that it becomes illegal to apply a law. Abuse of process is when magistrates or even judges - overlook a rule or limmitation then it falls into an area of law called abuse of process.

Since this case facinates me in many ways I have done a lot of research on the details of the case from what the information I can dig up or have available to my disposal. I personally feel that Gary was innocent to begin with due to technical issues with the microsoft built in administrators account. I also feel that there has been an error of law on part of the UK legal system due to abuse of process. Firstly - according to the law His extradition should have been declined initially because the Computer Missuse Act which He was arrestedfor initially - but never charged - held a lesser punishment than required for legaly granting an extradition request. And then what happened to the charges, were they dropped? If so why? What grounds? And if they were not dropped, well there is something called limmitations where a few years are involved but I don't think 7, so He should be outside the time period where He could be charged. If they were dropped, then the limmitation states that you cannot charge a man twice for the same crime. The issue of extradition. If it is not an extraditable offense in the first place - I would like to know how this was pushed through the legal system, one person or a council or what? And what were their legal points to do so? Because from what I understand - the law is both to punnish offenders but also to protect our rights as citizens. It is not right to make a non-extraditable offense into an extradition case. Abuse of process comes in here and all I would need to prove it is the document and signatures of the people responsible for this legal mistake. There is a reason for these protections - if there were not limmitations on what offense is extraditable and what offence is not extraditable then we would have a serious problem. People would be extradited left and right for minor offenses -like computer abuse. And it would evolve in a scenario like if your kid stole a pack of wrigglys gum then they may be facing extradition to the US headquarters of the Wriggly Corporation to face trial. Would this be acceptable?

Lately I have been studying CISSP and we are at cryptography and methods of attack. This is a way to protect data integrity and also protect the wrong eyes from seeing the information. There is a whole gammot of theories and strategies, don't worry, I wont bore you. But as I was writting some PHP5 code yesterday and thinking about cryptography and Gary, I realized there are similarities.

The theory about cryptography is to protect the the same way the law is to protect. In the normal state it is good - it protects us. In a compromised state it does not protect us - instead it can act the opposite to which it was designed.

There is also another point I remember frommy legal studies. This is a limmitation that precludes legislation from being applied to a case after the alleged offense occurs. Which means - if some alleged offense occured in 2001-2 only the existing laws can be applied. If a new legislation was introduced in say 2006 - this cannot be applied to something froma previous date. This is to protect citizens and due process from abuse.

What I do not understand is the complete lack of consistency on this planet. The commonwealth countries - for example - of which as a natural person I decline from being a part - one would think that the laws would jive. But what we have instead is chaos. One countries extradition is different form the other and the other and the other. Why so? I can understand distinctness and such, but my poin is - if all these countries are legally bound to some higher law then how can the lower laws be so inconsistent. Should there not be order? Why is it that other member countries have revised the Extradition Treaty so that it is respected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but the UK has not?

All of this says one thing to me - that is that there has been a lot of abuse in Gary's case. And I do not feel this is right or just in any way. In fact I think there has been a great injustice placed upon Gary and his family and He should be compensated for the pain and suffering they have had to endure.

Hey Elle are you real? Gary's not God, why the uppercase? He needs positive support, not blindless belief.. we have enough of that crap in the world now.

let's hope that there isn't an intention to sweep Gary's case under the carpet while everything else is going on.

Why is there so little comment on this from the US?

Free Gary!

Elle, think about the next:

The government(s), Bush evil club,.. can make a LIE and we the people have to believe it.
Look at this,

-Why is Bush and Blair not in jail??

Walking easily away, then "Blair says that it was no good idea, forgive..." in the newspapers
AND
"he's a man without any money", a good thought!

These evils keep trying to "throw a spanner in the food", example afghanistan. It doesnt look like money is the only thing they want.
Then you would ask, why make war?

Most things comes out on:
to discrease the humans on earth (but still fails. example 11sept).

See the links posted above [December 31, 2008 9:07 PM].
Or on video (click 'detail' on the right from the video too)
[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7627635408659718750]
1hour 53minutes 08sec

Oops, that was the wrong link, see this one
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3403113138974316606

thank you

Could this just possibly be the start of the home run? Today's 'Guardian' features an article speculating on a change of heart by the CPS - they apparently have confirmed they are considering proceedings for Gary here at home. The article also features a striking portrait of Gary by war artist Peter Howson, which is very Van Gogh like. According to Barbara Hand Clow, Van Gogh was an incarnated Pleiadian and as such was naturally free and creative. This has a pleasing synchronicity with the wish for Gary's freedom to exercise his creativity.

Gary could be tried in the UK:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4220292/Nasa-hacker-Gary-McKinnon-could-be-tried-in-Britain.html

Gary's mothers letter to Director of Public Prosecutions in Computer Weekly. See link below:

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/01/12/234180/gary-mckinnons-mothers-appeal-to-the-dpp.htm

Adding this to my (last) above post

Message what really happened:
(read this first)
www.rense.com/general/phil.htm

Several pages to click:
(scrol page to middle..)
[www.geocities.com/Area51/9357/cds.html]

thanks

In my mind the absense of any security measures especially on such an important network as the .mil network is equivallent inversly to illegal access and tampering with data.
All of the Administrators and Systems Analysts and IT Security team and Management of the US military should be the ones being charged.

THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK - UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO COMPUTER SYSTEMS
http://www.mosstingrett.no/info/legal.html
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For the purpose of this paper the Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime reads as follows:

SECTION 1 - SUBSTANTIVE CRIMINAL LAW

Title 1 - Offences against the confidentiality, integrity and availability of computer data and systems

Article 2 - Illegal Access

Each Party shall adopt such legislative and other measures as may be necessary to establish as criminal offences under its domestic law, when committed intentionally, the access to the whole or any part of a computer system without right. A Party may require that the offence be committed by infringing security measures, with the intent of obtaining computer data or other dishonest intent, or in relation to a computer system that is connected to another computer system.
**************************
The Proposal for an International Convention on Cyber Crime and Terrorism introduced by Hoover Institution, Stanford University, describes for the purpose of this paper, in Article 3 the offences as follows:

1. Offences under this Convention are committed if any person unlawfully and intentionally engages in any of the following conduct without legally recognised authority, permission, or consent:

(a) creates, stores, alters,deletes, transmits, diverts, misroutes, manipulates, or interferes with data or programs in a cyber system with the purpose of causing, or knowing that such activities would cause, said cyber system or another cyber system to cease functioning as intended or to perform functions or activities not intended by its owner and concidered illegal under this Conventions;

(b) creates, stores, alters, deletes, transmits, diverts, misroutes, manipulates, or interferes with data in a cyber system for the purpose and with the effect of providing false information in order to cause substantial damage to persons or property;

(c) enters into a cyber system for which access is restricted in a conspicuos and unambiguous manner.
**************************

Military personnel setting up a default administration account on their systems is the same as military personnel handing out a password.

Applying the same laws listed above 'without right' and 'infringing security systems' and 'which access is restricted' results in a REAL case of inverse illegal access.

Considering Gary's predicament, maybe the following is awesomely appropriate.

THE TOP 25 MOST DANGEROUS PROGRAMMING ERRORS
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CWE-20:Improper Input Validation

CWE-116:Improper Encoding or Escaping of Output

CWE-89:Failure to Preserve SQL Query Structure

CWE-79:Failure to Preserve Web Page Structure

CWE-78:Failure to Preserve OS Command Structure

CWE-319:Cleartext Transmission of Sensitive Information

CWE-352:Cross-Site Request Forgery

CWE-362:Race Condition

CWE-209:Error Message Information Leak

CWE-119:Failure to Constrain Operations within the Bounds of a Memory Buffer

CWE-642:External Control of Critical State Data

CWE-73:External Control of File Name or Path

CWE-426:Untrusted Search Path

CWE-94:Failure to Control Generation of Code

CWE-494:Download of Code Without Integrity Check

CWE-404:Improper Resource Shutdown or Release

CWE-665:Improper Initialization

CWE-682:Incorrect Calculation

CWE-285:Improper Access Control

CWE-327:Use of a Broken or Risky Cryptographic Algorithm

CWE-259:Hard-Coded Password

CWE-732:Insecure Permission Assignment for Critical Resource

CWE-330:Use of Insufficiently Random Values

CWE-250:Execution with Unnecessary Privileges

CWE-602:Client-Side Enforcement of Server-Side Security

Source: SANS Institute

Thanks Lucy, for the legal opinion about Terrorist Act I. I think the U.S. will stay away from invoking anything other than alleged computer crimes. Did the NSA implicate itself in the BBC article. I hope so.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7824939.stm

Don't miss JAN'S press conference.

Authorized Access vs Unauthorized Access

http://www.mosstingrett.no/info/legal.html
III. UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS

"Unauthorized access is emerging in many jurisdictions as the treshold offence in the field of computer crime. This is not at all surprising, since access is the fundamental factual predicate for anything else that can be done with a computer. In any event , unauthorized access appears to be the basic building block of most other computer crimes. It is the "least included offense" in a hierarchical series of crimes that become progressively more serious as aggravating harms and culpability states are added to the base offense." (Cole Durham, Brigham Young University, Utah, USA)(6)
--------snip-------->
(3) In this section:

restricted data means data.

(a) held in a computer; and

(b) to which access is restricted by an access control system associated with a function of the computer.
--------snip---------->
Access control system in technical terms is the action of authentication. In a VPN [virtual private network- translates to a login page on the internet] the data flow of authentication is this:

1. The webserver presents the login page to the viewer.
2. The viewer enters the required username and password then clicks submit.
3. The data is sent to the database and is tested for accuracy.
4. If the username and password exist in the database - authorized access is granted.
5. If the username and/or password do not match anything in the database - authentication failed - access is denied.

This means that if a person typed in a correct username and password, then LEGAL ACCESS has been granted by the system.

-Default Administrator Account-

The report forgot to list the most important security problem in recorded history: The Microsoft out-of-box security flaw.
This is WELL known by the super geeks!
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Protecting-Administrator-Account.html
'Before Windows Server 2003, the Administrator account was installed with a blank password.'

Obama wants to close Guantanamo, quick and one as the first thing to start with:

[current news]
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/12/obama-guantanamo-preparin_n_157202.html

Update on a article above
http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2009m1d15-Whistleblowers-evidence-of-NASA-UFO-fraud-might-kill-UK-hacker-case

Throw away the key I say! Gary was very foolish by illegally entering the US governments computer system, and only him should face the punishment.

What he done was wrong and they should shove him on the next plane to USA.

Unfortunately, I wouldnt be signing any patition to support him as I don't support criminals.

No Computer Hacker has ever been extradited and neither should Gary McKinnon be; I support equal treatment for all and so should anyone that cares about Justice.

So silly to over re-act and want extradition which is way out of proportion as is the proposed sentencing.

So Glad that Gary made the U.S aware of how poor their security was, as they left us all open to the possibility of a major terrorist attack by their extreme negligence.

If you care about Justice, fight for equal rights for U.K citizens in regard to the one sided extradition treaty.
We are entitled to have the same rights/equal rights as our American Counterparts.

If you care about crime, concentrate on wanting murderers and real terrorists punished, including war criminals like Bush and other war criminals that run or ran governments.

Get a sense of proportion.

Uhhh, in denial, ta ta ta
Because Microsoft can not admit to their O.O.B. security flaw, it is now illegal for all people in the US to obtain any kind of information on the internet!
Elle is hysterical with laughter...

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/489
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Essentially, the new statute took vague, ambiguous, and undefined concepts of authorization, access, computer, and information, and made them even more convoluted. It vests in the prosecutor and the jury the sole discretion about whether or not a particular action constitutes a crime.
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Gary McKinnon should STILL BE TRIED IN THE US and jailed for the FULL AMOUNT OF TIME. I myself have Aspergers Syndrome, and it is no excuse for hacking into the Pentagon. He deserves full trial, and his Aspergers need not be taken into account, AT ALL. Again, I have it and If I had done it I would know the extent of what my actions would do. Listen to me.

Gary McKinnon should not be tried in the U.S

He is not trying to evade responsibility but is asking for the right to be tried and sentenced in his own country in the U.K and to have equal rights with every other British person accused of computer misuse and tried in the U.K

Gary was arrested in the U.K in 2002 and indicted by America in 2002 when the American authorities also issued an arrest warrant.

However the American authorities then waited until late 2004 befor requesting an extradition arrest warrant in the U.K.
They conveniently waited until the U.K courts started using the one sided extradition treaty and America then no longer had to prove the damage that Gary has always denied.

No one has ever been extradited for computer misuse.

As someone else said. British citizens have a right to equal treatment with their American counterparts and America should have to prove the damage in a British Court just as we would have to provide evidence to an American court.

Why are British people being treated as second class citizens?
Why are we not being afforded equal rights with our American counterparts.

Why is America trying to extradite British hoteliers in their late 70's and then demanding 25 Million dollars in "fines" before allowing them to stay in the U.K
This sounds more like extortion to me.

The U.S are trying to extradite British business men and women but if they have millions of pounds to pay the U.S off, their extradition can be prevented.
So who are the real criminals? Sounds like the mobster U.S government to me.

Free Gary and afford him equal rights to every other accused British computer misuser.

We must demand equal rights for U.K citizens and require proof before any of our citizens are extradited.

Free Gary

@ [Throw away the key I say!]

Who are you fooling. You know what your doing is good?

@James: You are making yourself guilty too. This kinda message is only used for evil purposes. So nothing in here too. Choose love instead of hate.

All lame

Leadership

Our leaders represent us. Presidents, Prime Ministers, Kings, Queens - whatever their heading - their duties remainthe same. What is it to be a leader?

raditionally, the view of leadership has been that the main goal of leaders is to increase production and profits7. The traditional view of leadership is slowly diminishing, as more theorists are asserting that leaders also have the responsibility for ensuring standards of moral and ethical conduct1. Good leadership refers not only to competence, but to ethics and transforming people as well6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_leadership
All leadership is responsible for influencing followers to perform an action, complete a task, or behave in a specific manner 6. Effective leaders influence process, stimulate change in subordinate’s attitudes and values, augment followers’ self-efficacy beliefs, and foster the internalization of the leaders’ vision by utilizing strategies of empowerment6. It is believed that the nurturing aspect of leaders can raise organizational cultures and employee values to high levels of ethical concern6. Ethical leadership requires ethical leaders6. If leaders are ethical, they can ensure that ethical practices are carried out throughout organization.

What we have instead in many instances is people who get into posotions of power and then unethically use their positions for their own personal gain.

Personally, having done extensive research on global events relating to Gary's case - I believe that nione one one was staged. That a default password was delibrately left on the systems. Logically, the threat of an asault on the US by some enemy is what was needed to continue the persuit of the oil fields. Knowing also that the Bush family is involved in the oil industry - I think it is Duke Oil. This similar strategy was used by Hitler to motivate the Germans. Looks like it worked well.

Having our leaders lead us to our demise in the name of profit is wrong. And the worse thing about it is all the innocent people in the US who bought into the lie are made to be fools and idiots.

I as a member of the national autistic society am supporting the free gary campaign. I wouldnt like anyone to face american justice as their system stinks. Good luck

Good luck for tomorrow Gary. These dumbasses in the USA are so lax with security you should have been praised for exposing their own complacency.

I've been following this case for a long time and even though I am in no way religious I will be praying for you tonight.

Tony.