Gary McKinnon and family thank supporters of the fight against his extradition to the USA

Now that moron has left the White House I think this will be quietly dropped.

All the best

Stu

Let's hope this is the start of a return to sanity and some appropriate justice for Gary. I've just posted a blog on Gary's case: http://fpws.blogspot.com/
Let's hope it spreads the word a bit further in the information security community. Good luck Gary!

best wishes
Pete

Good article on Gary by Duncan Campbell in the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jan/31/gary-mckinnon-extradition-law

Here's a copy of an inquiry I sent to a list I am a member of ( pen-test@securityfocus.com ) The reply should be interesting...

Hey all,

I have been following the Gary McKinnon case for years now.
My interest is in the legal area of penetration testing and the evolution of cyber law.

What do IT Security experts and pen-testers think about the default administration account on the US Military machines? You can read about the case here http://freegary.org.uk/

best wishes to gary and janis
i have strong hope that gary will get a fair trail in the uk and have supported gary 100% since the start of this

Good luck Gary, you're the definition of hero in the face of these two governments (one the bully, the other the bullys best friend). The true criminals in this case are trying to bury you behind their laws but the 'citizens' are behind you, and you have given us some greatly needed inspiration and courage.
I think we should consider the implications of the US governments approach to Gary's case very seriously. The only possible 'crime' he can have committed is that he saw the truth.
I'm starting to wonder if the only way out of this will be 'the truth' being true.

I am the mother of an 18 yr old asperghes lad i know how they are and my heart goes out to you and your family, my son used to get himself into alot of bother as well but hes not a bad lad. This is why i feel so strongly about this its absolutley ridiculas them even puting the poor lad through any of this. i have started a support group on face book to support gary and your family janis, so from one mother of an asperghes child to another good luck we are all thinking about you. xxxx
if anyone on here wants to join just look me up and add youself the group is only at 35 atm but the more there is the better xxx

The general consensus on the Security Focus list is that:
1/ It is unacceptable for a lax military machine
2/ Unauthorized access is unauthorized access

The industry looks like is going towards strick contractual access permissions. But my next question would be - if this is so - then is law enforcement and the courts ready for half the population to call in access violations? Or will they be telling citizens that 'there is nothing we can do'.

A UFO link to make Gary Smile

Check this Link to UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eVX2A9eGQA

Many comments were recieved from the BIG BONES of the IT Security field. I am not at liberty to devulge the names or emails - but if Gary's legal team wants to obtain this they could apply for a list membership at securityfocus.com under the pen-test list and look up the discusion called 'Default Admin Account'

It looks like they think that Gary should not be extradited, that Gary should be dealt with in the UK. Interestingly, they also feel that the personel responsible for mis configuring the military machines should also be charged with negligance and be dissallowed to ever work on military systems again.

This means two or more ( if it was a team on the mil side ) persons should share the alleged damages too.

Thanks for that Elle, I'll pass on to Gary's legal team.
It's sad that anyone from the U.K isn't allowed to contest the evidence but can only appeal on Human Rights grounds.

Hopefully Keir Starmer the Director of Public Prosecutions will allow Gary to be tried in the U.K and we could then use all the evidence to rebut the ridiculous allegations of damage.

Many Thanks & Best Wishes

Link to podcast Interview with Janis (Gary's Mum) on World Service

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p002330j/Outlook_09_02_2009/

Its never too late:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7880695.stm

So - who is the terrorist now?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/09/home_office_link_spam/
As the list grows, we are left to wonder at the consistency of a government that has criminalised possession of some categories of material, particularly porn or "terror"-related, while having such a poor track record when within its own domains. Karma – not to mention "duty of care" - leaves us wondering whether the Home Office should not now be hauled up in front of its own shiny new laws.

If readers would like to assist with the important task of cleaning up Government websites, it is not hard to do. Pick your favourite search engine and load a search that is something like "site:dom.uk +porn", where "dom" equals the appropriate official designation. So far we have looked at "gov.uk", "sch.uk", "nhs.uk" and yes, "police.uk".

@ "non anonymous" - email if you need further explanation of the Comments Policy

What he did was silly but it absolutely does not warrant extradition and a totally out of proportion sentence. Is sixty years a small penalty? (10 years per count)I don't think so.

Bear in mind that he and his family have already served a seven year sentence of intense worry and stress...and for what?
He did not murder or rape anyone and had the U.S government not been alerted by Gary wandering through their systems, they would probably have had a real terrorist to contend with and who knows what might have happened then.

Would they rather a real terrorist had alerted them to their virtually non existent security? rather than Gary? I doubt it.

Gary McKinnon is apparently happy to pay a small penalty in the U.K. There is absolutely no justification for extradition and the U.S are acting purely out of embarrassment and our government are complicit in this.
Perhaps the U.S Military responsible for a total lack of security should be prosecuted and pay a "small penalty" of sixty years, or at least be sacked for incompetence.

Gary should not ethically be extradited, though if he does become so there is going to be a huge amount of information about released if he is. There is alot of outrage about what is going on with Gary in the US, though you will never hear about it on the news.

I would say, he will come here but only so as to release the publically hidden information and to be aquited of all charges.

Thoughts and prayers are with you Gary.

I implore gary to talk of what he knows before he is extradited.

For if what he knows is of a scandlous nature, enough to cause outrage then everyone will ask "they are extraditing gray for x,this is a scandal he is a hero,they are the criminals"

Play the hero and show the crimes of others and his popularity will sky rocket,whilst theirs will plummet.
and it will be seen "they" are just covering up their crimes using a mask of lawefullness.

while he remains silent he is seen as the criminal when the crimes of they are being covered up and his hopes are diminshed.

This is exactly what they want and how they always win...people remain silent...this is the mistake for then they always win.
but should everyone talk without fail they will loose their grip and the dominoes will fall.

do not be afraid of them,they are more weak and vunerable than you think,their blackmail will be exposed.....their blackmail indicates their vunerbility to the truth,their fear.
dominoes.......

you must play the people they are your powerbase,every leader who resorted not to violence knew that,get the people on your side and nothing can touch you.

This is nothing to do with law,listen not to lawyers and councils who harken only of due process,probablities and best outcomes for the self,this is about the whole,civilisation,
...the pieces on the board...beyond law....about justice, about the wrongful design of the world being set straight.
This is beyond the understanding of lawyers who play by a script...this is about real justice in the realm of the time line,service to civilisation.

if you talk what are they gonna do?,nothing...everyone knows who and where you are.
they cant harm you they can only threaten you.
would they lock a hero up who revealed a truth that would help turn the people?,maybe but by god there would be an outrage 100 fold of what would happen if silence insued.

TRUST ME you are a peice of the jigsaw that must be used..
.let it all come down.

On the PEN-TEST list I have a PRO who is available for questions regarding legalities in the high-tech field.
I would suggest to Gary's legal team that they employ the services of such a PRO for Gary's defense.

HERE is a copy of an entry sent.

Hey::

Thanks for the insight. I do in fact have other questions about the Gary McKinnon case. Please don't get me wrong - the man is definitely not innocent. I just feel that hew is being treated unfairly. I don't feel he is a terrorist, nor do I think he should be extradited. He
also, in my mind, should not be the only one facing charges. The admins and security staff of the military whose names were on the books at the time should also be charged. And all should share in the damage cost.

But the main part is - where do you cross the line...
if one is offending by simply being in a networked pc that is wide open - even if it occured quite by accident - or fabricated by a master

I am sure there is the citizens out there who would like to be able to claim an intruder whenever it is conveinent - and have the law uphold it.

But the very 'nature' of the net is an intricate interconnected network - once you connect your home pc to that net, you are one with it.

My web servers are constantly 'under attack' by persons trying to find a hole of some kind to enter. To me this is normal. The owness on the security - I feel - rests with me. I cannot say that those who try
have crossed the line.

Can you?

Gary,

If you have not already done so, may I humbly suggest you Google your way through reviewing the Judge's full comments in the trial of Owen Thor Walker, 17, of Whitianga in New Zealand, an Asperger's teen who hacked into and took control of vast amount of sensitive US computers and did "huge" damage. The US quietly urged our Government to recommend the judge in the subsequent case "chuck the book at" this youngster. In a dramatic decision, the Judge not only went completely the other way - discharging him without conviction - but boldly said he did so to enable Owen to take a clean record with him as he pursued a number of exciting job offers from Government, Private, and Military sectors. Owen is a real humble cool guy, and his case showed how these matters should COMPETENTLY AND WISELY be dealt with, at least with first offences and Asperger's presenting.

I also hope the great Simon Baron-Cohen, best friend any aspie ever had in this world, can point to you in the direction of a way to help us all a little, just as you are doing by embracing your Asperger's. did you know that up to a third of the homeless may have Asperger's and related conditions? Many of us suffer the most extremely aversive conditions because we know no other life, like drugged-up goldfish weakly flapping on the telephone table when all we really want is to go back to our bowl, our environment, a different but ecologically equal set of human allowances and accommodations.

How about it?

JG
Asperger's Syndrome New Zealand

:::::::::How long is this going to take?::::::::::
:::I need to know if it really is - US and THEM:::

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Test... I have constant issues getting my comments to appear. They tend to either duplicate or not arrive at all !

I strongly recommend that Gary check out http://www.fija.org for information about jury nullification of law. I strongly agree with his statements: If the government was undefended (Ironically the one job that they are entrusted to do --protection of private property-- they cannot even adequately do for themselves!)

The US Government is almost completely unconstitutional. Even juries are now instructed, as they were in Britain under King Charles I. Luckily, juries here still have the right to ignore the judges' instructions. It's called jury nullification of law. Google "The Camden 28" for more about the legal precedent for destroying governmental information that has no constitutional right to exist.

My heart goes out to you, Gary. I am always willing to speak in your defense. What you did was not wrong, but it was embarrassing to the biggest bully on the playground.

There are thousands of better designs for cars and energy sources than the US currently uses, but the government-sanctioned monopoly of Detroit doesn't allow their development. The same with life-saving cancer drugs like laetrile (Vitamin B17), life saving diabetes-safe sweeteners like Stevia rebaudiana (marketed as a "supplement" Stevia Clear), etc... The USA is not a free country, is not laissez-faire capitalism, and is not a free market nation.

It is a nation of willingly ignorant slaves. In that, it resembles Hitler's Germany more and more, with every passing day.

Only a return to individualism will save us.

Thank you for being an individual, Gary!

The Director of Public Prosecutions has just Ruled Against Gary Beng Tried in the U.K.

The U.S previously admitted Gary had no links to terrorism and was not a terrorist which is why they offered Gary a plea bargain of approx. eighteen months and repatriation but then said if Gary did not accept thier Plea Bargain that they would prosecute to the Max. and that one state even wanted to see him Fry.

Very convenient to up the anti when they don't get their way.

What are they afraid that Gary saw in there? Makes you wonder.

Maybe Gary was right in that 9/11 was an inside job and they might be afraid that actual evidence will come out.

It seems the DPP's doesn't know half of what goes through his own office as the "Communications Unit" with no name, deals with his letters and passes them on to what they consider to be the "Relevant Depts".

The DPP's office did not even ask for evidence from Gary's solicitor but quote so called evidence from American Prosecutors so Gary's Solicitor Karen will now Judicially Review their decision.

This is akin to the distant past when they accusing women herbalists of being Witches and burned them at the stake.

The powers that be have no knowledge of computers and think that virus writers and people looking for UFO's are the same...They Are Not!!!

Gary would never write a virus and would never "attack" anyone.
The U.S prosecutors fail to mention that Remotely Anywhere is a common commercial application used by ordinary computer people throughout the world.

Our government signed a one sided treaty that is being used to throw British citizens to the dogs.

It was a university in America that traced Gary in the military computers and after the U.S in the original indictment claimed that Gary had caused exactly $5,000 dollars of damage on every machine (coincidentally the exact amount needed to try Gary Federally) The American Universities came out and said "Gary Had Caused NO Damage".
Both American universities were then quietly removed from the indictments.

This treaty was used retrospectively against Gary and that is against the rules/text of the extradition treaty.

In September 2002 the U.S indicted Gary and issued an American arrest warrant but waited until the U.K started using the one sided treaty. They waited Three Years to request an arrest warrant from the U.K thus giving them a totally unfair legal advantage and This Is Against the Rules of the Extradition Treaty so why is it being allowed?

The High Tech Crime Unit also took Gary's computers to the U.S at the time...many years ago now, which is NOT ALLOWED according to the text of the one sided Exradition Treaty.

Why are the U.S and the U.K flouting the rules of the one sided extradition treaty?
We in the U.K have few enough rights as it is.

A proove of another Governments murder.

- Only everything is tried to jail/hurt him!
- They didn't give him one chance or a warning!
- Not payed attention or looked for the reason!
- Zero human rights!
- Nazi actions in all way!

Why has the book/report from the (U.S.) "National Bank" sayed that Gary caused something that he didn't do?
Was it a mistake?

REAL CRIMINALS => THE GOVERNMENT!