Free Gary McKinnon

Gary, you might be able to get off by using "jury nullification."

In the American justice system, a juror can judge the law itself. This right has been upheld by the Supreme Court. A defendant can sometimes walk when the jurors feel that the law he/she may have technically broken is unjust.

Good luck.

I would like to say a massive thank you to everyone who turned out today to protest for Gary. It was an amazing afternoon with so much positive feedback. I am very proud of everyone involved and i'm so overwhelmed all i can say is FREE GARY xxxxx

The Demo photo above. 60 million people in the UK. Whither "human rights". David Von Bock gives you good advice. Stay strong, Gary.

Do not fear - you have discovered [a bit about law] about SOCPA - passed in a devious deceitful way to withdraw freedom of speech precisely where it is needed within 1 kilometre of the precincts of the Houses of Parliament.

So you now discover that we live in an elective [was B.liar now Gordon Brown] dictatorship!

Controlled indirectly by the likes of Peter Mandelson + Michael Abraham Levy who in turn are controlled by the very few who indirectly control the private [not public - unaccountable, untransparent] cartel of banks called the Federal Reserve Bank of New York controlled by David ROCKEFELLER of 146 East 65 Street, New York, NY 10021 - it is David Rockefeller who conmtrols the 'shadow' government of the US! He also controls the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR)[which controls US media - Google: 'Council of Foreign Relations & the media youtube'] whose director is Dick Cheney [VP of USA] and David Rockefeller is the Chairman of CFR. David Rockefeller also controls Bilderberg Group [major leaders of Europe are members] Trilateral Commuission, Bohemian Club of New York + Bohemian Grove of California. He determines who will be the nominees for the presidency [both Republican + Democratic - McCain + Obama]. Besides, he is a senior member of the Council of 300 in charge of Freemasonry - as Clinton, Bush, Obama + McCain are ALL Freemasons!

Please try not to worry - your information is of such inestimable value, so NO ONE will harm you!

All the world's major powers are desperate to discover what you know.

No one would ever dare to touch a beautiful swan or goose that lays a golden egg - so thinking in those terms - no harm will ever come to you!

Understand that a lot of PR is going on to alarm the public [& perhaps you] that the authorities are going to be hard on you. But this is the politics of the law, these misrepresentations are only said in order for you
to co-operate & explain - how does it all operate - the way to access security information to discover these classified secrets?

Honestly, you have absolutely no idea that the 'fear factor' is to get you to talk!
So that you explain how it is possible to access this 'secure' information. After all, it is meant to be 'secure' - yes?

It is obvious to a 2 year old that you are no hardened or dangerous criminal!

And that what you say is true: viz. in that you were only interested in finding out about UFOs!

Why?
Because if you wanted to do irereparable wrong [which you obviously did not] or you were a bona fide criminal or should I say a criminal with mala fides [i.e. with bad faith]
you would not be using your girl-friend's computer system! [Clearly, you would not be that stupid - so it stands to reason to any prosecuting authority that you had no hostile intent! Although technically you might have done wrong by accessing an unauthorised computer system - although it was done from a totally mutually exclusive sovereign jurisdiction!]

It is only because there is a close co-operation US/UK treaty that the apparent separate sovereignty [between UK from US] is in reality treated as one NATO sovereignty - but this will not be admitted to the UK public! [e.g. many of the 'RAF' bases are in reality not UK but staffed by US personnel + US assets - though policed by UK MOD police!][The perception is different to the reality].

I only hope this acts as a means of reassuring you & your family not to worry or be concerned - although it is only understandable & natural that you are about to be 'torn' out of your sovereign country to an alien sovereign country with little or no protection from your own country that has a primary duty to defend you & your interests! [The UK has very badly served you].

Kindly do not be concerned or alarmed.
As long as you keep in touch with your family & friends & regularly use your spiritual aspect to keep in touch with your good friends, I promise you that you WILL, WILL, WILL be protected - please, please, believe me!

Take care - do not worry.
Your family will meditate [i.e. pray] for you as will all your friends - so you cannot be harmed...

Remind yourself from one who has several degrees in law - law in essence is an extension of the political means to control the people of a country.

When you are dealing with the security of the country - the leaders are, not surprisingly, just as inquisitive as you are as to how is it possible to access [without authority/authorisation] to look into the information that is held on these disparate computer systems that cost billions to put in place? [Although those others do not have a fraction of your intelligence & for that reason they are somewhat jealous!]

I am as unbelievably inquisitive as you clearly were to know what was there.

What you did was a perfectly normal & human thing to look into, as someone who is clearly highly intelligent & unbelievably inquisitive [too much like me, I think]. [As I have to admit that with your knowledge in computers I would have done exactly the very same thing!!! (+ I have several degrees in law!)] [But not to do with anything malevolent - no, but as a means of testing security. Using that argument you should be praised & applauded - not ridiculed, denigrated & treated like a common criminal!]

Unfortunately, regretfully, I never attended any of your hearings, so I was not in a position to defend you or assist you. [I would have done if I had known where you were going to be appearing - yes, like a theatre, a court is where you make an appearance. But in your case, it is all being hyped - as the US authorities are desperate to know how exactly can they improve their computer systems - so it cannot happen again - it is really that simple. The reality is that if you were employed by the authorities in a very lucrative position as a consultant - instead of throwing your undoubted talents on the scrap heap - none of these silly hearings would have taken place in the first place!!! The authorities do sometimes have their priorities totally wrong & find out the hard way - rather than confronting people, they should consult with people & none of these painful experiences would ever take place].

I do not know if you were well represented with the [jewish/zionist?] solicitor using her best endeavours or if your solicitor did not act to the best of her ability.

But it will be all sorted out to your complete satisfaction.

But please go behind the legal scenario & understand the political scenario & security concerns of US & there you understand that they are clearly inquisite [as I am] as to how someone like yourself can make all these unbelievable discoveries.

For me, it tells me one obvious thing!
What?
It tells me that the authorites [the respective sovereign governments of US + UK] are prepared to pay considerable taxpayers sums for initial outlay - but they are not prepared to spend equivalent sums of taxpayers money on maintenance. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!

This is now your opportunity of being a consultant & advising them & obtain a lucrative governmental contract [if indeed you want to advise them]. But if you do so, please keep me in mind to review your contractual arrangements!

One think I must remind you - please please please if nothing else SAY NOTHING TO THE INVESTIGATION AUTHORITIES IN THE US.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT AGAINST SELF INCRIMINATION!
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY/LAWYER.

SAY NOTHING "NO COMMENT" UNTIL YOU ARE SATISFACTORILY LEGALLY REPRESENTED!

I PROMISE YOU IF YOU SAY ANTHING WITHOUT A LAWYER PRESENT - YOU WOULD BE STITCHED UP.

THERE IS AN EXCELLENT YOUTUBE CLIP BY A PROFESSOR OF LAW WHO REITERATES THE FAC TO ALL HIS LAW STUDENTS - NEVER NEVER NEVER MAKE ANY ADMISSIONS TO ANY PROSECUTION AUTHORITIES [EVEN MORESO IF YOU ARE TOTALLY INNOCENT OF THE CHARGES OR ANY ALLEGATIONS].

DO NOT BE PROVOKED OR FALL INTO THE TRAP BY THE AUTHORITIES: "WELL, IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG YOU WOULD TALK TO US TO HELP US & THAT WOULD HELP YOU!"

NO, GET THE RIGHT ATTORNEY THAT SPECIFICALLY SPECIALISES IN PUBLIC LAW - SECURITY OF THE STATE ALLEGATIONS

BEFORE THEN: "NO COMMENT"
I SEEK TO BE LEGALLY REPRESENTED TO UPHOLD MY LEGAL US CONSTITIONAL RIGHT!!!

P.S. Dress smartly - wear a white shirt [if possible] & ensure the top button is done up & kindly wear a tie.
[Perception in court is always very, very important!][Respect others - then they (the respective judge) will tend to respect you!!!]

Once again, do not worry...

N.B. Remember that you have the right to a (good) lawyer (who specialises in this type of national security public law charge)!!!

It WILL be OK!!!

Bit less of the "jewish/zionist" thing if you don't mind. They're not synonymous and anyway there's bagel munchers around. Perhaps Stormfront would be more your thing.

This National security thing is pure bollocks. How is it that the issue of what he was looking for; files of ufo's, is being translated as criminal activity? Information such as ufo's belongs to humankind, not any military no matter which country. Face it the man had been overcome by curiousity and because of his computer knowledge he went snooping into a data base that very likely held that same type of information. If he had benefited financially or had somehow compromised the security of the U.S. by spreading technological secrets then he would indeed be a criminal. He stole nothing, he sold nothing, he transfered nothing,....he did nothing. A file photo of a ufo?,...I can get those any time by logging onto the net. Jimmy Carter tried to bring the ufo issue out into the light because like most thinking human beings he felt it was vital knowledge, how dare any one hold something as monumental as extra terrestrial comunication or presence from the rest of humanity. This bogus war on terror has been rammed down the throats of humankind for too long and this travesty of justice the Gary has had to endure is the blight that we are all responsible for.

The difference is Gary allegedly committed a federal offense against the US Government. This is not a standard criminal matter - so your term "Jury Nullification" is not only improper, but most improbable. This is federal - the big time. There is rarely time off for good behavior and even more rare that someone is extradited and not convicted.

Hacking into a government's security system and this guy is suddenly a victim? He'd been doing it for years and knew exactly what he was doing - yet, he kept on doing it. Whether he as AS, is mildly retarded, or just a complete moron.. he knew what he was doing was wrong.

Don't go criticizing my government for upholding our laws. Hell yes he should come here - the American people deserve answers and they deserve justice. One way or the other - guilty or innocent - justice will be served.

He didn't commit the offense against Great Britain, he committed the offense against the United States of America and so he should come here and face the consequences of his stupidity. Perhaps, the notion of a long prison sentence will wipe that shit eating grin off all your faces - but most assuredly - Gary's.

And... let us not live in glass houses and discuss violations of human rights. Great Britain has a long list of sins that are well known throughout history - but then again, you've always considered yourselves righteous and above it all, so how could you possibly place human rights violations squarely on the shoulders of the USA and have the audacity to deny you've never committed horrendous and cruel offenses of your own? Be honest with yourselves, do your damned diligence and stand here right next to America and answer the same questions that we do. You've been knee deep in atrocities against humanity since before America was a nation... thus the reason why America became a nation in the first place. To remove herself from the tyranny and injustice of the crown.

Go stick that in your meersham and smoke it.

John Smith... are you kidding me? You can't possibly be for real. I'm not sure what you're more full of "bullsh*t or your ego".

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What you did was a perfectly normal & human thing to look into, as someone who is clearly highly intelligent & unbelievably inquisitive [too much like me, I think]. [As I have to admit that with your knowledge in computers I would have done exactly the very same thing!!! (+ I have several degrees in law!)] [But not to do with anything malevolent - no, but as a means of testing security. Using that argument you should be praised & applauded - not ridiculed, denigrated & treated like a common criminal!]

Cold hearted people deserves to shut their mouth!! Because this world is almost killed by them.
I'm not afraid of bad people.

Read to do anything GOOD:
"PUT YOUR DIRTY LAW (OR WHATEVER) IN YOUR OWN SHOES!"

Gary did that out of interest. He needs a fair threatment.

People of UK . You must get out to the streets ,you must block street traffic ,you must fight for Garry.Who knows ,maybe at this time ,right now,your kid will be playing with computer and brake into the Pentagon. Do You want to see your children in JAIL of US ? Just beacause they r smarter than security "specialists" of US Army ?
You must save your children first.. think about it..
One of the smartest UK citizens will die in US jail ...i better kill myself than see my son in jail ,sitting for nothing...

Not good to be a citizen of the UK. Thank God I'm a citizen of a (very) decent country that will NEVER extradite one of our own to the US, regardless of acusation or even evidence. Most European countries do NOT extradite their citizens especially to the US.

Susan O wrote:
He didn't commit the offense against Great Britain, he committed the offense against the United States of America and so he should come here and face the consequences of his stupidity

So when will the people who run your media be going to China to face charges of sedition? Don't you think they should go and face the consequences of their "stupidity"?

As for the human rights issue, yes, the UK has done some terrible atrocities, what's your point? Did anyone say they were justified, correct, or should be tolerated? Are you saying because America admits it's there, stuff like Guantánamo Bay is ok? Are you perpetuating the image many have of your country as that of a spoilt child (You did it, so it's ok for me to do it!). I'm amazed you trying to defend your countries indefensible human rights violations (I don't try to defend those my country has/is making and am as against them as I am the ones your country and any other country makes).

However, if I were to follow your tact re:glass houses, I'd ask about your countries track record for sponsoring terrorism in mine (the IRA) and many others (The Taleban)? How could you possibly wage a war on terror after sponsoring it for so long? Oh, what's that? You made a mistake, and realised it was wrong... ahhh, that's ok then, as you are so forgiving of others....

There is a good write-up of the situation on The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/mckinnon_bevan_interview_analysis/

Which I think says it all about why we should not be co-operating with the US on this one.

Gary, I can't defend hacking into other systems and I think you've seen the error of your ways in that respect, hence one of the key purposes of a custodial sentence (rehabilitation) has hopefully been met. As for the punishment goal, I'm assuming the six or so years this has been hanging over you has taken some toll, so I'd call that one met as well. There really is no need to send him over there. I thought we didn't extradite to countries which tortured prisoners (the facts that the US suspended habeas corpus, use water boarding, etc are commonly know, and verified)? It disgusts me that my country is complicit in this inhumane act of torture, and I feel it should be held accountable for any resulting outcomes (American jails have a very bad record for assault, rape and drug abuse).

I'm disgusted by America, and I'm disgusted to be British. Anyone fancy clubbing together and buying an island somewhere and doing this right?

"Cuckoo's Egg" shows the guilt of US security services. Their criminal incompetence deeserves the maximum penalty.
See
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/09/408007.html?c=on#c203111

Note that the coward oi yoi does not use his own name to call Gary a coward.

The other comments are included in the US repost at http://indymedia.us/en/2008/09/33436.shtml

Should Blunkett hang as a traitor for signing that agreement without full reciprocity?

I listened to the BBC Radio 4 play the other day detailing the case and was astounded by the pompous and ridiculous scapegoating of a self confessed harmless geek.
Surely americas 'war on terror' would be scoring an own goal by wasting resources trying Gary?

Hello Lucy , i wasnt at the demo , but was thinking of you all (thats no consolation) I think Gary and family has already paid for his crime.

Gary hacked into NASA, the US Army, US Navy, Department of Defense, and the US Air Force. He should be deported to face up to the crimes he has committed which prosecutors have called "biggest military computer hack of all time". He has wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds of tax payers money fighting extradition to the United States.

He is a coward, he should go to the US like George Galloway did and set the record straight "if" he is innocent.

Did the military open a back door to let him into a botched gated system, well, that would be a conspiracy wouldn't it.

Gary. get your ass over to the United States and face up to them, you coward!

I have traditionally been a supporter of the US.

However, the heavy-handed attitude to what Gary did has shaken my beliefs.

Sure, he hacked into computer systems. But the door was open for him. By not having passwords, the US military computers were open to the WWW.

So was he hacking or surfing?

If you leave your front door open and someone steals from your house, this is theft, not burglary. Except that Gary did not steal anything.

Gary is guilty of eccentricity, a one-valued British trait which is sadly time and again being viewed as devious or dangerous behaviour.

He was looking for information on UFOs, he was not intent on any malevolant purpose.

What is scary here is the posse that is being lined up across the pond intent on a lynching.

The UK is full of "Garys". He is showing the same geeky behaviour displayed by the code breakers at Blethcley Park who cracked the Enigma code.

If he has the typical Aspergers hyperfocus, then he and others like him should be taught Arabic and set to work to locate terrorist activity via the internet.

I know that Gary was looking for evidence of extra-terrestial intelligence.

I am now beginning to wonder if there is any intelligent life in the US.

Gary hacked into NASA, the US Army, US Navy, Department of Defense, and the US Air Force. He should be deported to face up to the crimes he has committed which prosecutors have called "biggest military computer hack of all time". He has wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds of tax payers money fighting extradition to the United States.

He is a coward, he should go to the US like George Galloway did and set the record straight "if" he is innocent.

Did the military open a back door to let him into a botched gated system, well, that would be a conspiracy wouldn't it.

Gary. get your ass over to the United States and face up to them, you coward!

Oi yoi & Susan - whose a coward!

Well i would like to see you deal with the threat of 60 years just for curiosity. And for the record he was seeking UFO intelligence which we all no is out there and free energy which was to benefit everyone on the planet and unfortunately it would benefit morons like you. Get off you soap box and realise this is a man's life that is being played with. He has admitted that it was wrong to have been in those places and has been honest and co-operative all the way through.

We don't appreciate bullies on this website, just good honest opinions not crap that your coming up with!

Free Gary and yes he bloody well deserves to tried in this country!

Speaking of courage "Oi Yoi". Have the courage to use your real name.

I'd like to throw a couple of things into this mix if I may.

(1) The BBC play which was laudably simplistic in it dramatic format, and served to highlight again at base level a couple of the core issues. Who was responsible for the internet security of the Sites "hacked", i.e. walked straight into, by Gary McKinnon and three or four hundred other people who habitually wandered into these networks every day? They knew this happening. Who was responsible in the US for starving the security of funds and resources to prevent this?

(2) Again, the BBC Play. Highlighted the whole issue of "internet addiction". Very common amongst the cybernet community. "Social network" sites like MySpace and FaceBook, for example, are rife with people who sometimes run many pages of "profile", who have been "hooked" for years and spend hours of their lives every day on these Sites. That is not recreation. That is an addiction every bit as real as the other causal addictions in the UK, such as alcohol which is freely promoted everywhere in the UK media and said to be "okay".

(3) "The Disclosure Project" and the whole question of "UFO's and aliens". This organisation, set up by and run by Dr Stephen Greer in the States launched itself with a press conference in the US some years back at which soldiers, airmen, air-traffic controllers and others pledged they would swear an oath in Congress as to their own encounters with "UFO's" in front of the world media. They're all hallucinating, lying, or deluded, right? Or did Gary McKinnon make all that up?

Gary's case has clearly entered a new phase and talk of Zionist/Nazi/Illuminati conspiracies, whilst they may be real in some people's heads, are fine for displaying a willingness to think "outside the box".

However, please, all of you, do not forget, this Site was set up to help and support Gary McKinnon, so lets keep the understandably heated bickering to a minimum. The real and main present core issue is that, once Gary gets on that plane to the States, no UK citizen is safe from this kind of fiasco. Right now it seems that Scotland, a tiny nation, is progressing it own government and people towards a true independence. Scottish Law is already very different to that in England and I wonder if Scotland would have caved in to simply handing over a one of its' citizens in this fashion. Gary MacKinnon has owned up to his misdemeanour. That should be that. And that, "Oi Yoi", is courage. Look it up. Stay centred, Gary.

Lucy,

It is a shame that you are about to be separated from your boyfriend for a few years. Choices in life will always dictate how your life will proceed. You made a choice to become involved with an unemployed person who faces incarceration. Gary chose to gain unauthorized access to computers he had no right to be in; and make no mistake, the damage he chose to intentionally cause is the reason he is being extradited...not because he was curious.

"I am SOLO, and I will continue to disrupt at the highest level"

Do you think he wrote that note because he just got done looking at a bunch of pictures? He wrote that note after he disabled primary servers and their redundant backups.

Shake your head, your fists and your silly little signs all you want. His choice to commit criminal acts has consequences. The criminal never has the choice of dictating what the consequences are.

Enjoy your flight Gary. With any luck the US Marshal assigned to escort you will be able to get business class seating. :)

Gary,

The general attitude of the pro US posts here gives you a clear picture of the average IQ of the american citizen - 50 for Bush. As a Canadian citizen I can tell you that I have been to the US and it is littered with fat, stupid, horribly prejudice, uncultured people that think that the whole world should do what they say cause they have big guns and there attitude is - if they can get away with unethically ripping off someone then that makes it OK. As well, they are all loud and sloppy. You definitly can pick them out in a crowd of people - they are the ones acting like they own the place, talking loud and laughing about something purely egotistical and self centered.

This case is definitly a test case. If this goes through I hope that all UK citizens realize that they could be next. That the US could claim anything on anyone without evidence and have the person moved to the US. This case is the only piece of law to protect others. If this is set as a precident then the rest of you are up.

The fact that the UK has done absolutely NOTHING to protect one of their own citizens is outrageous. Is not this the only job of a government? To protect and promote the interests of citizens? Piss on you UK. As a Canadian I am shocked that you are kissing the ass of the US!

Gary and girlfriend - boycott and civil disobedience...

Love Elle

Oi yoi, your name is making joy! Instead of posting the same BULSHIT post double you better learn how to use your antivirus software or learn how to keep the house clean yourselve. I mean do it yourselve, but not just for TEN minutes! Your one of these that never will learn to listen. Still opened up their no good talk! Maybe on from these that always hurted lovely kids at school. I was a very lovely boy and faced such bastard.

Gary was only trying to find something and show to other people. Thats the best help you ever will find. Finding ufo's and FREE ENERGY.
Its possible, you need to read MORE and SURF the internet (especially you need using the mind much more while reading incl opening the eyes wide!).

I say: SHUT YOU DIRTY MOUTH!

This is very one sided Gary McKinnon should face the courts in this country not America.

Tony Blair is responsible for this one side law Labour will never ever get my vote again.

Gary, new progressive dance track written and recorded for you today and on free download in support. Just hit my name above this Comment. Hopefully, a tiny lightener for you and yours. I really am at a loss and scratching my head. Wish I could do more, brother, but we're "only" artists, right? Thinking on. Stay strong. You know, incredible as it might seem, somewhere, a part of me believes that some good will out of all this somewhere along the line for you. No pain, no gain, right?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Simple. I'm sick of all the idiots who love to rally around hacking cases because hacking is "cool". No it isn't. It's scandalous that Kevin Mitnick is seen by many as a hero, and we're just creating another one here. Breaking into other people's computers is always wrong, and deserves severe punishment. And spare me the free energy UFO woo woo nonsense. If the tech existed, it would be out there by now - for one thing it would win Randi's million dollar challenge if it worked, and even if not, it's worth enough that somebody would have already been tempted.

Really, how stupid do you have to be to break into US military systems and then be surprised when it gets you in trouble?

Joe,

How stupid do you have to be to spout off opinions without looking into the facts?

To quote an article on the situation which is pertinent to the point:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/mckinnon_bevan_interview_analysis/

"People talk about 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time', but what if the crime did not have the consequences at the time that it has now? When he was doing what he was doing, the extradition laws were not made and hacking was not a terrorist offence."

I don't think he was right in what he did, but do you honestly think for a second that what he did deserves a sentence more than he'd get for murder, rape or child abuse? Stop spouting tired clichés and engage the brain. Think about things first. Read up on the facts, and make informed decisions.

Excerpts taken from::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_(Thoreau)

Henry David Thoreau

Civil Disobedience is an essay by Henry David Thoreau that was first published

in 1849. It argues that people should not permit governments to overrule or

atrophy their consciences, and that people have a duty to avoid allowing such

acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice.

In 1848, Thoreau gave lectures at the Concord Lyceum that he titled “The

Rights and Duties of the Individual in relation to Government.”[1] This formed

the basis for his essay, which was first published under the title Resistance

to Civil Government in 1849 in a magazine called Æsthetic Papers.

That title was a way of distinguishing Thoreau’s program from that of the

“non-resistants” (anarcho-pacifists) who were expressing similar views.

“Resistance” also served as part of Thoreau’s metaphor which compared the

government to a machine, and said that when the machine was working injustice

it was the duty of conscientious citizens to be “a counter friction” — that

is, a resistance — “to stop the machine.”

Don’t just wait passively for an opportunity to vote for justice. Voting for

justice is as ineffective as wishing for justice; what you need to do is to

actually be just. This is not to say that you have an obligation to devote

your life to fighting for justice, but you do have an obligation not to commit

injustice and not to give injustice your practical support.

In a republic like ours, people often think that the proper response to an

unjust law is to try to use the political process to change the law, but to

obey and respect the law until it is changed. But if the law is itself clearly

unjust, and the lawmaking process is not designed to quickly obliterate such

unjust laws, then the law deserves no respect — break the law.

I think the critical issue here is whether Gary actually caused any damage to the US military systems he was hacking into or not.

If he didn't cause any damage and was simply looking around, as he claims, then he should be given a short rap on the knuckles and let off.

However, if he actually went around inside those systems deliberately causing damage, erasing files and disabling systems, then how is he any different from somebody who physically broke into the buildings and smashed up the computers with an iron bar?

If a vandal broke into a military computer complex and pulled out power leads, put bricks through the screens etc and was then caught, we would have little sympathy. If Gary went around deliberately erasing files on those systems, I personally can't see any difference.

As a fellow techie I don't want to see him get a severe sentence, but I think the nature of the (alleged) damage he did needs to come out, and in an open civil court, not a military tribunal. I think the note about "disrupting at the highest level" isn't going to do Gary any favours.

My thoughts are with Gary. All this uncertainty and waiting for 6+ years is in itself a punishment and quite frankly 70 years is a ridiculous sentence that not even murderers recieve. The potential sentence is disproportinate to the crime and it is therefore unfair to send him to any country which does not operate within a civilised code.

I wasn't aware of the protest as I would have tried to attend myself (perhaps the ability to register your email address would be good so that important updates etc could be circulated).

Anyway, best wishes to Gary. If we keep the media spotlight on then hopefully Gary will get justice and not an over-reaction by a an embarrised country who left all they "doors" open.

joe lorem, if your old enough, this is especially for you to start with:
http://www.plasmavortex.com/UFO_Technology-final.pdf

So my message: "they changed the law from 6 months to 60/70 is true, etc etc".

WAS I SO ANGRY THAT I FOUND THE RIGHT WORDS??

Thank you J!!!
But what can we do now to stop the dirty proceedings that AMERICA is causing??????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Civil disobedience is the active refusal to obey certain laws, demands and

commands of a government, or of an occupying power, without resorting to

physical violence. It is one of the primary tactics of nonviolent resistance.

In its most nonviolent form (known as ahimsa or satyagraha) it could be said

that it is compassion in the form of respectful disagreement.

Civil disobedience is one of the many ways people have rebelled against unfair

laws. It has been used in many well-documented nonviolent resistance movements

in India (Gandhi's social welfare campaigns and campaigns for independence

from the British Empire), in South Africa in the fight against apartheid, in

the American Civil Rights Movement, Jehovah's Witnesses' stand against the

Nazis (1929-1945), and in peace movements worldwide. One of its earliest

massive implementations was by Egyptians against the British occupation in the

nonviolent 1919 Revolution.

The American author Henry David Thoreau pioneered the modern theory behind

this practice in his 1849 essay Civil Disobedience, originally titled

"Resistance to Civil Government". The driving idea behind the essay was that

of self-reliance, and how one is in morally good standing as long as one can

"get off another man's back"; so one does not have to physically fight the

government, but one must not support it or have it support one (if one is

against it). This essay has had a wide influence on many later practitioners

of civil disobedience. In the essay, Thoreau explained his reasons for having

refused to pay taxes as an act of protest against slavery and against the

Mexican-American War.

Theories and techniques

In seeking an active form of civil disobedience, one may choose to

deliberately break certain laws, such as by forming a peaceful blockade or

occupying a facility illegally. Protesters practice this non-violent form of

civil disorder with the expectation that they will be arrested, or even

attacked or beaten by the authorities. Protesters often undergo training in

advance on how to react to arrest or to attack, so that they will do so in a

manner that quietly or limply resists without threatening the authorities.

For example, Mahatma Gandhi outlined the following rules, in the time when he

was leading India in the struggle for Independence from the British Empire:

1. A civil resister (or satyagrahi) will harbour no anger.
2. He will suffer the anger of the opponent.
3. In so doing he will put up with assaults from the opponent, never

retaliate; but he will not submit, out of fear of punishment or the like, to

any order given in anger.
4. When any person in authority seeks to arrest a civil resister, he will

voluntarily submit to the arrest, and he will not resist the attachment or

removal of his own property, if any, when it is sought to be confiscated by

authorities.
5. If a civil resister has any property in his possession as a trustee, he

will refuse to surrender it, even though in defending it he might lose his

life. He will, however, never retaliate.
6. Retaliation includes swearing and cursing.
7. Therefore a civil resister will never insult his opponent, and therefore

also not take part in many of the newly coined cries which are contrary to the

spirit of ahimsa.
8. A civil resister will not salute the Union Flag, nor will he insult it

or officials, English or Indian.
9. In the course of the struggle if anyone insults an official or commits

an assault upon him, a civil resister will protect such official or officials

from the insult or attack even at the risk of his life.

If any person(s) put any more offensive disabilist comments about Gary and/or any other disabled person, including NeuroDiverse/Autistic disabled people and using one of the most insulting words twards a disabled person 'retard', then I will take direct action on this matter straight to the UK and USA Governments, and Senator Barack Obamha, as 'user-led' specialist consultant and member and pro-active campaigner and advisor (Autistic Spectrum Disorders/NeuroDiversity/Mental Health) to/with the UN Disability Convention (UK) and other UK Government departments.

My colleagues (brothers and sisters) within Disabled Peoples Direct Action Network (DAN) will discuss Gary's case with Shami Chakrabarti(Director) and others at Liberty when DAN meet up in London on the 14/10/09.

Others are welcome to join this meeting, but please let me know if you want to attend.

This meeting with Liberty is not just about Gary's case, there is also an opportunity to discuss other basic human rights and civil liberties issues that impact on ALL Disabled People in the continued struggle for DAN and our allies long historical campaign
to 'FREEOURPEOPLE' from all forms of social injustices, inequalities and abuses of basic human rights and civil liberties, especially 'disabilist' attitudes and behaviours (including 'institutionalised') in the UK, USA and global world within the UN Disability Convention.

Yours

Colin Revell

Gary: "We must hang together, gentlemen...else we shall most assuredly hang seperately". (Benjamin Franklin) and "A brook would lose its' song if God were to remove all the rocks". Stay strong.

We are in full support of you Gary!
Hope justice will prevail.........

Hi Gary, Lucy and Gary's Mum

I could not make it to the demo but I wrote to my local MP! Hope that helps!

Stay strong!!!

I've just read the indictment at this URL:

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/usmck1102vaind.pdf

It lists all the i.p. addresses and locations of the computers Gary allegedly hacked which section of the military they belonged to, and this is shocking.

It is mind-numbing that so many computers, in use by the Army, Navy, Air Force, Department of Defense and NASA were connected to the internet with such weak security that Gary was able to gain admin privileges. My home PC probably has tighter security than these military systems.

I have followed Gary's case for years, but this is the first time I have actually read anything like this.

Whoever in the US set up these systems should be court-martialled & charged with gross negligence in the line of duty (or whatever they call it), along with the managers in charge of them for allowing this to happen.

Actually the PDF version of that document has all the i.p. addresses blacked out so you can't see them, presumably for "security reasons".

However, if you look at Google's "view page as HTML" option, all the i.p. addresses are displayed for anyone to see.

This is how utterly incompetent these people are.

What Gary did was a matter of "civil disobedience" a legal precedent set by the likes of Martin Luther King and Ghandi, where they broke the "law" purely to expose lies and untruths being hidden from the public by their voted in representatives

There are as many good people in the States as there are here in the UK. Naturally, many are concerned about what happens next in your case and would want to help throw light on this, on both sides of the argument, in any way they humanly can, to reach a clear conclusion on what the issues really are and what the outcome will ulitimately be. Obviously, you've got to get the best Attorney in the States you can, and many of these are truly excellent and are real human beings. Now, whatever the merits of the whole "UFO" aspect of this, and much of it seems now to be a matter of record, your representatives over there will and should be watchful of your whole defence being turned into a three-ring-circus and a "cause celebre" for UFO Groups and ulitmately make your case look weakened. It all comes down to a matter of proveable and displayable evidence. Within the UFO groups there are some excellent people, but it also contains a fair number of poseurs and egomaniacs who talk complete bollocks to give themselves an inflated importance. Outside of this nonsense, and in the case of the "Rendlesham Forest" UFO reports, for example, one of the exponents who genuinely wanted to "spill the beans" on the whole thing was a guy who was actually at Rendlesham called Larry Warren, (now I see integrated in "The Disclosure project"), and, in his early days of attending UFO "Conventions" in the States to simply relate his story, the very people who were actually running these gatherings, i.e. the hardcore Ufologists, were oft-times actually and openly hostile towards him! Anyway, this is just another line-of-thought thrown into the mix. Human nature is what it is and only three things are real, "God, laughter and human folly". Ivan Jones comment above, about the PDF/HTML Doc is yet more Monty Python. Wonderful! Stay strong, Gary.

Non blacked out pdf versions on this link:

www.usdoj.gov/usao/nj/press/files/pdffiles/edva_mckinnon_indictment.pdf

http://www.4law.co.il/501.pdf

"Jury nullification" applies to state and federal criminal trials.

This means that the juror can judge the law itself. The accused may be technically guilty, but the jurors will let them go. "Jury nullification" has a tradition within English common law and a founding father of the US -- John Adams emphasized this right as a break against unjust prosecution.

"The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."
—John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court

Gary, I hope you are able to get a sympathetic jury.

In American jurisprudence, the burden is on the prosecution to prove criminal intent. Admitting to a mere "element of a crime" can be damaging. Good luck.

I'm so very sorry to see you go through this Gary and your family.

I once got into the UFO website just for curiousity and got frightened out. Now I thought about returning but having three children helped me make up that choice. Also, I wasn't brilliant enought to try a blank pw.

You do know that you have God on your side. You will prevail as you are one of many that have had their curriousity peaked. Many have done the same. You did nothing wrong and it's sad the way these terrible actions our government do come back to us. Well God will handle this as we are all told. my prayers will be with you. I will forward to all that I know and tell them to do the same. Can't wait to see the Hollywood movie. Remember this, the DOJ doesn't have the last say. You are to have a trial by Judge jury. So it will be the People of the United States that will decide. Make sure you request this. If your trial is in the USA you can demand this. I'm not sure if this applies to you, not being a citizen but make sure thats what you ask for

Peace,love & all the lights to you all

Vickie Connell

Found this document below, it is released in 2002. Was it made for 2008 to came out??

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nj/press/files/pdffiles/edva_mckinnon_newsrel.pdf
or
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/mckinnonIndict.htm

Something different:
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/mckinnonIndict2.htm

By the way, another case of "extradition" from the UK to the US it seems. Anyone heard of the Howes Family? This mentions Gary in the same breath.

http://corruption.org.uk/2008/08/07/britains-unfair-treaty-by-chris-williams/

Every time these guys put a video up on the internet, say, on MySpace, it keeps being "disappeared"! Including the one protesting their innocence only last night which featured on the above link/Site. Apparently these guys are now 242 days on "charge without evidence" and are to be extradited. Don't really know any more than that, but thought it worth a mention. Anyone familiar with this? On the face of it, it seems similarly outrageous, and involves the "internet" again. Stay centred and cool, Gary!

Sorry, there is a video on The Hawes Family Site defending themselves. Check it out.

http://corruption.org.uk/2008/08/04/cleveland-and-arizona-extradition-corruption/

Seems to be an uncanny resemblance in the Brit police/US authorities aspect. Don't know what the legally minded here on FreeGary think. Franz Kafka anyone?

It appears that some of the more obtuse/arrogant posters on here seem entirely but not surprisingly unaware that Gary and his supporters are not so much concerned that he pays a normal and proportional price for what he has done, rather that the aggressive US powerbrokers who feel miffed that someone as unskilled as Gary could reveal such a shocking degree of pentagon incompetance and draw unwanted attention to a subject usually well camouflaged, might well try to vent their annoyance and embarrassment by disproportionately locking him up and throwing away the key or worse. Having observed the way the US has behaved politically and militarily over the past few decades, not to mention their foreign policy over the past hundred years or so, I'm inclined to share their distrust. I hope the case is kept high profile over there. Good luck Gary. All my family & friends in the states are very much with you.

Secret files from MOD-uk

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The first in a series of Ministry of Defence (UK) UFO files, dating back to the 1970s, have been released on The National Archives' website today, Wednesday 14 May 2008.

The files will be available to download free for the first month, after which The National Archives will charge for them.

The rest of the files are currently under review and will be added to The National Archives over the next three years.
----
Download on this link:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos

What's the point in dragging Gary off to America when he admitted computer intrusion almost seven years ago without having engaged a lawyer and without having a lawyer present present.

This sort of attitude from the American and the U.K government won't encourage other people to come clean and admit to their crimes when they are then treated even more harshly than seriously violent criminals and murderers.

Without being able to defend himself or to rebut any allegations, Gary has also been publicly pronounced guilty of the alleged damage by the U.K courts and the law lords, thus prejudicing any future trial he might have.

gary has always denied causing the alleged damage.

"Thank you for bringing this to our attention and thank you for the songs you put up for Gary which is much appreciated".

You are truly welcome. "Disclosure" still up for Gary.

http://www.jonsorensen.co.uk/15302.html

It's important to laugh sometimes. Let's not forget the ridiculous state of our own government system as we point the finger across the Atlantic. The following was sent to me this morning and it's just about right. Glad to share it with you in the midst of all this injustice.

"From our own correspondent"
Gordon Brown flies into Washington , still an unknown quantity to most people in the U.S.
despite his bizarre appearance on American Idol recently.
In advance of the trip, profiles of the Prime Minister have been appearing in the U.S.
This column tuned in by satellite to Eye-Witness News, Palm Beach , for a preview of the visit:

'Good morning America , how are you? This is your favourite son, Chad Hanging, reporting.
The President of Englandland, Norman Brown, is arriving in our nation's capital this afternoon to meet with President Bush.
But just who is this guy? Let's cross to our special correspondent Brit Limey.'

Hey, Chad . As you can see, I'm standing in the world-famous Trafalgar Circus, with the House of Fayed directly behind me.

So what can you tell us about Norman Brown?

Well, Chad , he has been President for some nine months now. He used to be Chancellor.

What, you mean he's, like, German?

No, that's what they call their Treasury Secretary over here.

And is he a Conservative, like President Tony Blair?

No, Chad . He's Labour. President Blair wasn't a Conservative, either. He only pretended to be.

So how did Brown get the job?

He just kept shouting at President Blair until he stood down.

But he won an election, right?

No, Chad , there wasn't an election. He did think about calling one, but decided against it because he was frightened he might lose.

How can you change Presidents without having an election? I mean, it's not like President Blair was assassinated.

That's just the way it works in Englandland. The leader of the party with the most seats in the House of Lords gets to be President.

So Norman Brown was elected leader of the Labour Party?

Negative, again, Chad . He did raise money and have a leadership campaign, but no one stood against him.

What, nobody? No primaries, no general election, nothing?

Affirmative, Chad .

Let me get this straight. His party hasn't elected him, the country hasn't elected him, yet he still gets to be President.
Sounds like a tinpot Commie dictatorship to me.

You could say that, Chad . Norman Brown doesn't really like anyone being given the chance to vote on anything.

Someone must have voted for him, some time.

Oh, yes. He was elected to the House of Lords by his constituents in Scotlandland.

He's Scoddish, then?

That's a big Ten-Four, Chad.

So is he President of Scotlandland, too?

No, that's a guy called Alan Salmon.

Hang on, if Brown's from Scotlandland, how can he be President of Englandland?

That's just the way it goes in this crazy country, Chad . Brown can make laws for Englandland,
but not for his own people in Scotlandland.
Not that it matters much because Brown has signed away most of Englandland's lawmaking powers
to unelected European bureaucrats in Brussels , Belgiumland.

That would be like stripping Congress of the power to make laws in America and handing it over to Mexico .

I guess so.

How in the Hell did the people of Englandland vote for that.

They didn't. Brown wouldn't let them, even though it was a solemn promise in his party's manifesto
the last time people were allowed to vote.

Couldn't the Supreme Court have stopped him?

Not really. The Supreme Court of Englandland is now in Strasbourg , where the geese come from.

Isn't there any opposition?

There's a guy called Boris.

Sounds Russian.

I wouldn't be surprised, Chad . There are millions of Eastern Europeans living here now, mainly in Peterburl.
Englandland has seen mass immigration over the past ten years, but no one voted for that, either.

What in the name of Ulysses S. Grant is going on over there, Brit? We're talking about the country which gave us Magna Carta,
saw off the Armada, stood alone against Hitler and invented parliamentary democracy.
How does Norman Brown get away with it? He must be a popular guy.

Far from it, Chad . According to the latest opinion polls, he's the most unpopular President ever.
His approval ratings are even worse than George Dubya Bush.
There's talk about him having to stand down soon.
He's already promised the job to some guy who works for him - name of Balls.

Say again, Brit, you're breaking up.

Balls.

You're damn right there, buddy.

Gary is a Man-child - people with Asperger's syndrome, although very intelligent academically - are socially and emotionally immature. So what if he's left a boastful message that apparetly he'll 'continue to disrupt at the highest levels'? He was pleased with himself for having been able to get past the 'security' - if you can call it that. There was no malice intended, no lives were lost and the so-called 'financial damages' US prosecutors are claiming he's cost them have not been proved nor is it known if it's even true. US prosecution are known for their bluffing techniques to get people to confess and for doing deals in exchange 'for cooperation'. As for the other message about the US being 'not unlike a government-sponsored terrorism when it comes to their foreign policy' - what's wrong with that statement? Since when are people prosecuted for telling the truth? We don't live in the world of the Emperor's New Clothes, do we? And if we do, then Gary is that kid in the crowd who shouted: 'The king is naked!' Kids can't lie or kiss ass - NOT CAPABLE! Alright? Oh yeah, did I mention that Gary is in effect a Man-Child? That's 'cause he is. Autistics are. Pure and simple. No bullshit

Even if we allow that this man is a criminal, and that he left rude messages on the sites he visisted he is hardly the sort to warrant the treatment that has been threatened with.

Such a long sentence for breaching security is hardly remotely fair, the principle crime is embarassing the UG government, something our authorities defers too all too readily.

It is interesting to note that this sorry case is occuring in the shadow of another majot ';hacvking case' inviolving a far more dangerous individual: Tanenbaum. He was recently charged with defrauding a Canadian comapny of $1.8M CDN and faces a few months jailtime. back in 1998 he was also responsible for hacking US government and military computers, and those of theIsraeli government and military for which he paid 18 months in prison. US authorities were able to travel to Istrael to visit him, but not to take him away.

It was not too long ago when US courts would deny the extradtition of IRA terrorists to the UK, often on technicalities. Also the European Court recently blocked the extraditiion of another genuine terrorist the infamous Hamza on humanitarian grounds.

Yet when the US government is embarrassed, and and ordinary British citizen is involved, Whitehall will bend over and Brussels will turn a blind eye.

So in another major Hacking case involving a more serious crime: Tanenbaum was recently charged with defrauding a Canadian comapny of $1.8M CDN and faces just a few months jailtime.

In 1998 he was also responsible for hacking US government and military computers, and those of the Israeli government and military for which he paid 18 months in prison.

US authorities were able to travel to Israel to visit him, but not to take him away.

So the Israeli government protect the rights of their citizens and the American government do the same for theirs....
but the U.K government sell out their own citizens without even getting the other side to sign the treaty that the U.K signed in secret.

They then making it retrospective so that the U.S don't have to prove a case and don't have to prove the alleged damage that Gary has always denied....

and when the U.S changed the law a few weeks ago so that America no longer has to prove the alleged damage in an American trial, our government just roll over and extradite Gary and any other U.K citizen on those negligent/corrupt terms.

I'm British but will cease to buy British or American goods from now on, until we have a government that looks after our interests and respects fair play, rather than using corrupt methods against U.K citizens that have not even committed crimes of violence.

How patronising towards all Austistic/NeuroDiverse and other disabled people to use the word 'manchild' to describe 'behavioural traits of Adults living with ASC's/ND's.... This is the defintion of 'manchild' from urban disctionary...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man+child

As I said this totally reinforces the negative stereotypes, which is damaging and very insulting towards ALL disabled people... what ever 'label' they may have been given.

This is totally against basic human rights and equality and social justice to describe any ASC's/ND's and/or any other disabled person using this 'disabilist' patronising word 'manchild'

HORRID!!! It's nearly has bad as using the word 'Retard'!!!!

How are Disabled People ever going to be fully 'included' within all sectors of society if 'we' continue to use 'disabilist' language which is so patronising and offensive!!!

Please do correct me if I'm missing something, but the point of this Site was to not only support Gary McKinnon but to promote open and informed Comment so that we "laymen" might understand the realities of both sides of this case on both sides of the Atlantic. In other words, what is really going on and why. What I don't see in these Comments is anything from anyone openly identified as being from the "Disclosure project". What I don't see is anything from anyone openly identified with the UK Government or, the US government for that matter. What I don't see is anything from anyone identified with the trueblood "hackers" who might Comment even by bouncing their ISP's around the Web as I think we've been told they can do to cover their tracks and yet give us their opinions here. What I don't see is anything from anyone openly identified within the ECHR or associated departments. What I don't see is anything from someone openly identified as a true authority on Asperger's Syndrome. What I don't see is anything from anyone openly identified as being within the UK or US legal professions, either attched to Gary McKinnon's legal team or not. The words openly identified, you'll see, are the mantra here, it being the lack of transparency which caused all this in the first place. People on both sides of the Atlantic are scratching their heads over all this and with good cause. Can we have some informed experts come out of the shadows in these Comments and help promote the very open condition and debate we all keep talking? Stand up and be counted, guys. Apologies in advance if I've missed something here. But is Gary McKinnon being left to the "wolves" and being used as a "test case" for seperate interest groups with seperate hidden agendas observing from a safe distance. Bottom line is this case affects everyone. No exceptions, right? That's my layman's two cents worth. That crash you heard was me falling through my soapbox. Stay Sunny!

Gary & Lucy,

You have two choices::
1. Wait for US Marshals to aprehend you and escort you to the US.
2. Relocate to an unknown location and leave a representative in place to force it through the courts again.

Elle

All the below were working to get 1 human that was only handling by "out of interest".

Were did the money come from?

WHAT A WORLD OF SHAME!

US Army Criminal Investigation Command's Computer Crime investigative Unit, NASA office of the inspector General, Naval criminal investigate service, 902nd Military intelligence group-information Warfare branch, Defense criminal invstigative service,
air force office of special investigations, United Kingdom's National High Tech Crime Unit. U.S. Army computer Emergency Response Team, Naval incident response team, Department of Defense computer Emergency response team.

HELP US BEFORE THE WORLD GOES UNDER!

If our governments[USA,british etc.]would tell us the truth,instead of blatantly lying,there would be no need to "hack" for information.Everything gets labeled "war against terrorism" or "national security".Who are the real terrorists in this scheme?

Another Free energy?

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

(Link was on http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald)

About Free Energy:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/possible.html

I don't think the issue at hand is the existence of free energy or alien technology or any of that. This is all irrelevant to Gary's trial (or at least will be by the jury) If Gary did gain unauthorised access then he did committ a crime, I doubt he's denying that. However the crime is quite obviously committed in Britain and should be tried and punished in Britain too in accordance to our own laws. The issue at hand is Gary being plucked out of our society to be at the mercy of a sensationlist backlash from the US. I've written to the home office, and got a response stating my support was noted and filed in his personal case file for reference to future proceedings. I suggest, we all do that. How long does it take to write/type a letter and stick it in the post? The home office need a powerful and genuine reflection of the amount of people opposed to the extradition. Get writing.

Good Luck, sounds like a complete crock....Many other people, have done exactly the same, and its never gone this far ........ :(

Just need to inform Gray and his family that from today I will be stepping-out of this case, due to me personally attacked and threatend for expressing my own personal views with/and on behalf of the 'grassroots' Autistic and NeuroDiverse, Mental Health 'Survivors' and Disability Rights Movements.

I feel so sad that I have had to make this decision, but my own saftety and welfare and wellness and recovery are a priority to me and I don't need all this *shit* and unwanted stressors within my personal life, just for showing support for Gary and his family.

As I said when I am writing this email I feel like crying and I am feeling really upset the way I have felt bullied and attacked for speaking-out and expressing my views, which may differ to others.

I have done everything I can do and made and contacted a lot of my networks to inform them all of Gary's case.

All it takes from me now is to wish Gary and his family and all his supporters and allies all the best and hope that common-sense will prevail in the end and that all the trauma caused will come to an end and that Gary, family and everyone else can find much needed peace and recieve equality of arms to 'natural-justice' anda fair hearing.

I will keep an eye on what is going on and keep updated, but I hope you'll all understand that I need to take care of my own needs at this present time, especially under the immense stress I am under at present and my overall health and wellbeing is not that great too at this present time.

Take-Care

Good-Luck

God-Bless

Colin

Free Gary!!!!

I have linked up this page in my blog

Is this Free Energy, called "Zero point energy" comes from ufo technology? My question is because the internet is full of that "ZPE" information. If its right then this is just not integrated in our life because of the oil companys, thats why then no one have build anything for our use that works for/with it.
But it may be used long years in nasa's rockets.

See this link (as example) for my question:
www.free-energy-info.co.uk

I have just received a response from Equality and Human Rights Commission... as follows...

I agree about the innappropriate use of the phrase 'man-child'. As I said, having been on holiday I'd not had chance to get into the detail of the Gary McKinnon case, but noticed it had generated a lot of email debate and when time allows I will look into it.

Good luck Gary!!!
What you did was NOT wrong in my book! Murderers get less bad publicity!
As for the UK and Europe, IF Gary was handed over to the US authorities, then it will only go to show just how "sick, twisted and evil" our government including the diabolical EU government really is...
Stay strong Gary!!!

Simpleton, moronic comments made by "Oi yoi" & Susan demonstrate a lack of understanding when it comes to the bigger picture and indeed the finer details of Gary's case. It's that kind of red-neck reality that has the USA in the complete and utter mess it's in at present.

You forget of course that when Gary arrived on "your" networks, he saw NUMEROUS foreign IP addresses continually cruising these supposedly secret, hi-tech systems... many from places like China. Had Gary not been caught, [he left notes highlighting this issue - NOT just the one note the press and you two keep repeating] - these networks would still have plenty of foreign visitors to this day. So why pull out Gary amongst all these others??

Also - the person who posted about the 2001 Disclosure Project. I made a similar point in an article here:

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0708/hackingaway.html

...that over 250 witnesses had indeed ignored their various security agreements and had spoken out on UFO/ET/free-energy issues WITHOUT having any formal punishment. These people should be coming out in support of G.M. - but from what I see, many have fallen for the manufactured hype created by the media and US legal types which labels him a "terror hacker".

IN the longer term, some of you now who are wrongly criticising Gary for his exploits will come to see why what he did was important. I personally don't even have a MORAL issue with his hacking - if people like "Susan" knew the extent to which crucial, world-changing information is being kept from the public, they'd see things differently. It's sad when people have that much faith in corrupt governments, led by a small clique of black-project types, that they are blind to even basic truths that the rest of us can see.
-

We're trying to get unions involved to protest against the extradition treaty and hopefully to challenge it in a court of law.

I'd also like to try and get some business people or newspapers on board to challenge this treaty in a court of law.

A treaty can't be one sided otherwise I could go around saying "I've gor a trade treaty with China....BTW they haven't signed it but I'll go ahead and act on it as though they have" (Of course I couldn't, it's totally stupid)

A treaty also can't be made retrospective (as it was in Gary's case)otherwise if someone got two sides to sign a peace treaty, someone could at a later date prosecute all of the people that used weapons several years before the treaty was signed.

No one would sign a treaty if that was the case and this excuse for a treaty is an insult to the intelligence of British people and our government are throwing us to the dogs and allowing us and them to be well and truly walked over.

Hello all
Just to let you know there a few threads at ats and I started my fist one today as I reckon this whole thing is an absoulte disgrace and only stregthens my beliegs that Govmerment does NOT give a damn about any of our rights.

Behind Gary all the way
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread389422/pg1

Peace all
Kirky

Good luck with that, Janis. Anything we can do to help let us know.

I watched the full video from the disclosure project this week (downloaded the full press conference http://disclosure.netro.ca/npcc.wmv), but coulnt understand every word (my english isnt good).

(In the beginning) After i saw Gary in the news (online pc magazine), i searched the internet and found the Donna Hare words from the conference translated to dutch text (my language)(http://www.ufowijzer.nl/tekstpagina/DonnaHareGetuigenis.html) That was a start for me.

I wish i could have atleast the documents/videos that were shown in this conference to spread the words like it should.

Had send three mails to home office. Hope it does something.

BEST WISHES TO YOU GARY

Sorry, i looked now on the site, other parts from the disclosure project are translated too:

http://www.ufowijzer.nl/tekstpagina/Disclosure%20project.html
and
http://www.ufowijzer.nl/DisclosureProject.html

G'day here's my two cents worth from Australia.

This case once again goes to prove that the law is a arse.

The law in any country or anywhere for that matter should be about what's right and what's fair.

If you break a law then you must pay the penalty but the penalty must fit the crime. But everyday we see horendous crimes that get a sentence that carry the weight of a light slap on the wrist and other soft crimes that are punished to harshly. Gary's crime falls into the latter I feel .

If you have commited a crime in another country and you are caught there then you have to face the law there. But since the crime was commited In Britan and not in America
then why is he having to go to a country where he will not recieve a fair and unbiased trial or a fair sentance.

I don't think that anyone would argue to much if he were tried in a British court and did his FAIR amount of time in a British jail where he could be visited by his friends and family whilst in there.

The part that gets me the most is that an ordinary man hacked into US military computers and left messages saying "your security is crap".
This begs the questions.

1. Shouldn't the US military have the best security system in the world.And have measures in place to plug the holes when a breach has been found out about

2. And that if someone like Gary could do it then what information have the professional hackers got from them. (Hopefully no launch codes)And I'm suse they didn't leave any messages for them to find.

In concluding I understand the Americans were looking a bit sheepish over being made to look stupid and no one likes that, but what they should do now is find out how he did it and fix the gaping holes in their lax security and then give Gary a "Fair and Just" sentence and let him do his time in England.

Gary I hope you get a fair trial mate, but I doubt it !!!

Hi Lucy,
Danny and Richard here. Just a quick note to let you know we are thinking about you. Give our love and best to Gary for us. I have written to Edward Garnier today for what its worth, but don't expect a response. Stay strong Gary, it will all work out for you in the long run, YOU ARE A SURVIVOR! See you soon buddy, count on it!!!!

That is an accurate assumption Martin Mostaard made. That professional hackers would not be leaving any friendly notes to help the military admins correct their security problems. And I am sure that there are hackers out there that may have critical information like launch codes.

A malicious hacker would not be interested in being discovered. The "black hat" hacker (as termed in the lingo) would spend most of their time ensuring that there is no possible discovery. For whatever evil purpose.

A "white hat" hacker (lingo) is someone who has no bad intentions and does not care about discovery. This would fall into the professional licenced penetration tester category, or an honest surfer. Remember all, Gary McKinnon is a Systems Administrator, so he knows about basic security issues. The fact that he left notes for the .mil administrators proves his intentions.

Like I have said many times before - he is an innocent man.

What angers me about this whole issue the most - is that there seems to be a witch hunt going on. Any person who knows too much about computers and the internet is being made out to be a threat. This is out right discrimination in my opinion.

There has been many many cases of where a Tech discovered a security flaw, notified authorities and THEN enjoyed the consequence of being targeted as a perpetrator!!!

People, corporations, government seem to get paranoid when someone identifies a security hole. Why is this?

Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.

I don't get what the problem was with using an expression 'Man-Child' in Gary's case. I have Asperger's diagnosis myself (late diagnosis, when I was 40) and don't find it offensive. In fact my parents always said that I looked and acted younger than my years because of my eyes: wide open and trusting. And I do tend to take things at face value, I'm very honest and believe people easily. Kids do too. Someone who was naive enough to think that they could just stroll into a few military computers, maybe find some evidence that we're being screwed out of vital information on free energy that could potentially help save human kind and ease the suffering I reckon was even more naive to think that by handing this information to the world they could change anything. And that is a childish way to think for sure (but not 'childish' in a bad way). It only shows someone's black and white conctrete thinking of justice versus injustice, right versus wrong. It's not a bad thing to call Gary a Man-Child in that respect (and that's how I've read it when it was first mentioned).

Colin, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here and got all hot and bothered under the colar for nothing, mate. Whatever it is that's upsetting you has nothing to do with this expression. Do you also have a problems with Nene Cherry's song? Are you perhaps a little jealous of Gary's fame? Don't be, Gary's not in an enviable position right now. I bet he'd swap with you any day.

I don't know what you've got, Colin, maybe you have some 'issues' you need to work with but you totally over-reacted there.

Gary with his Asperger's and idealistic view of the world does need protecting from the heavy-handed hypocritical US prosecutors, just like a Child would from a Bully.

If you disagree, you must want to disregard Gary's Asperger's and want to throw him to the dogs... I don't know, what's eating you.

And who is threatening you? US government? really? how do they even know about you? are you someone important? do you hack, too, Colin?

You say you've been helping, how exactly? Did you write to MPs or something? We all did, pal, we all did.

Hopefully, it'll make a difference.

To Gary: be strong, mate. We are on your side. Hopefully, our government will wake up from their long mid-summer dream and do the right thing for a change.

This is what Stephen Hawking said in his recent interview: 'We all start off as children, full of curiosity and wonder. I still have that curiosity and wonder that is what Lucy (Hawking) and I try to convey in our book, 'George's secret key to the Universe'.

Also, many a genius are likened to a Child because of their unsatisfiable curiosity that makes them successful in their areas of interest.

Gary was curious about UFO's and if they didn't catch him (the bastards) he would have found what he was looking for. Or not, but he would have at least found out the truth. Einstein worked like that too. He wanted to discover things because he was curious, open-minded and had an appetite for learning. Incidently, that's why they send us to school as children not as adults, because normal adults' minds close up and aren't as willing to learn and accept anything new as the kids' minds.

A fair few 'Man-children' go on to discover great things. And if naivete and trusting nature (that got our Gary cought) is the price to pay for having this other ability, then that's what they have to pay (but not what the US authorities are proposing to do, that's just ridiculous. 6 months light security prison and a job with our gov at the end of it is quite enough). Without 'Man-children' I doubt there'd ever be a progress.

It has to be said that Colin has helped Gary a lot by bringing sections of the Green Party on board and they are presently preparing a press release re-Gary.

Colin may be unwell but that doesn't mean he didn't mean well and he has achieved some good results.
We should show compassion towards each other.

We all see things differently and should attempt to understand each other as best we can.

All for one and one for all.

Best Wishes

Firstly, I feel so sad at reading some of the patronising and 'disabilist' comments, but I'll will not bite and respond to them.

I have been pro-actively invovled within the 'grassoots' Disabled Peoples, Autism/NeuroDiversity, Mental Health 'survivors' and Independent and Inclusive living movements, with the disability/soci-ecology 'Green' movements for many many years.

I feel offended by the way some people have misunderstood the impact the way 'man-child' to discribe any disabled person is so patronising, offensive and 'Disabilist' towards All disabled people... prehaps these people need to become more 'politicised' and educated about our 'movements' and how it got this reaction.

I was shot-down for being the messenger for those within the above movements, and as I emailed even the Equality and Human Rights Commission agreed with me and other Disabled People within the movements on this matter, which also the UN Disability Convention agreed too.

So, enough of these games.... let get back to the real business in hand-in 'freeing' Gary, from all this injustice and basic human rights abuses.

As some people has stated I have managed to get the Green Party to do something on this...

I also have, with my colleagues managed to find a 'specialist lawyer' in the USA, who deals with these type of cases on behalf of Autistic People. Have anyone within Gary's campaign and legal team got into touch with Jeff Sell yet?

The Autistic Rights movement are also planning a protest in London for Gary....

I, on behalf of DAN, have arranged a meeting with Shami Chakrabarti (Director) and others at Liberty, next month, where Gary's case will be discussed at a Disabled Direct Action Network(DAN) with Liberty.

I have informed all the movements, above stated, of Gary's case, not just in the UK, but global world too....

Can I ask someone from Gary's legal team to write a letter to DR Richard Light, UK delegate to the UN Disability Convention... Email addresses:-
un.convention@googlemail.com
principal@rjlight.myzen.co.uk

*** Who ever write to Richard tell him, that I have put you in touch with him to take Gary's case up, as the UK delegate to the UN Disability Convention, to the UK and EU Parliament and UN Disability Convention, under the UN Disability Convention.

Adrian Whyatt, others and I in the UK and across the globe within the grassrotts wider disability movement have been proactively been involved as campaiagners, advisors, activists and educators for years, especially within my 'specialist' field of Autism Spectrum Conditions/NeuroDiversity.

What responses did anyone get from Rachel Hurst Disability Awareness into Action (DDA). Website:-
http://www.daa.org.uk/e_tribune%5Ce_1992_10.htm

So, do I don't need to justify myself to anyone of what I have done, and will continue to do for Gary and his family.

None, of us are going to agree on all issues, but no-one should get personal and start using disparaging and offensive comments towards anyone. "We can agree to disagree' in using mature behaviour to respond.

This is not helpful at all for Gary.

We all 'need' to keep 'focussed' on the job-in-hand.

People can keep having a go at me, but really is this productive? Really!!!

I ma only human and can only try my best for Gary and use all my contacts and networks to support his case.

I might say and respond to somethings that others may not like to hear, but 'we' all should be mature enough to not get personal when someone expresses their viewpoints (freedom of speech).

Is this not what fundementally what Gary's case is all about, that all of us should have the right to basic human rights and civil liberties (Disabled and Non-Disabled).

I am not on any 'ego-trip' and all I want to do is support Gary and his family from these terrible and horrendous basic human rights abuses and injustices.

I will continue to support Gary all the way!!! and all the bloody way!!!

No-one individual is bigger than Gary's case!!!

FREEOURPEOPLE

Colin!!!

Gary

I was reading some RFC's today and found that according to RFC1244 both Microsoft and the US Military

are guilty of not following the official rules of the internet.

Taken for RFC1244 - Site Security Handbook Section 2.3.4::

2.3.4 Who May Have System Administration Privileges?

One security decision that needs to be made very carefully is who
will have access to system administrator privileges and passwords
for your services. Obviously, the system administrators will need
access, but inevitably other users will request special
privileges. The policy should address this issue. Restricting
privileges is one way to deal with threats from local users. The
challenge is to balance restricting access to these to protect
security with giving people who need these privileges access so
that they can perform their tasks. One approach that can be taken
is to grant only enough privilege to accomplish the necessary
tasks.

Additionally, people holding special privileges should be
accountable to some authority and this should also be identified
within the site's security policy. If the people you grant
privileges to are not accountable, you run the risk of losing
control of your system and will have difficulty managing a
compromise in security.

The full RFC can be accessed here http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1244.html >

OMG here is another one ::

Department of Defense, "Password Management Guideline",
CSC-STD-002-85, 12 April 1985, 31 pages.

The security provided by a password system depends on
the passwords being kept secret at all times. Thus, a
password is vulnerable to compromise whenever it is used,
stored, or even known. In a password-based authentication
mechanism implemented on an ADP system, passwords are
vulnerable to compromise due to five essential aspects
of the password system: 1) a password must be initially
assigned to a user when enrolled on the ADP system;
2) a user's password must be changed periodically;
3) the ADP system must maintain a 'password
database'; 4) users must remember their passwords; and
5) users must enter their passwords into the ADP system at
authentication time. This guideline prescribes steps to be
taken to minimize the vulnerability of passwords in each of
these circumstances.

also taken from RFC1244 - Site Security Handbook!

Just laughing my guts out - the military broke their own policy!

Elle

Hi Colin,
just to let you know I put this out to the media.
Also received some thanks from Gary's mum too!
Cheers
Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Deane
To: media@hullpeace.fsnet.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:11 AM
Subject: Gary McKinnon case - likely to be a lynch-mob not a trial

No US trial for Gary McKinnon! say Hull Greens

Local Hull area Green Party joins campaign against McKinnon extradition.
US authorities have demanded the extradition of Gary McKinnon due to multiple hacking of computer systems in 2001 and 2002. McKinnon has been threatened by US prosecutors with decades in jail and even to “fry”.

"But what did Gary McKinnon do?” asks Martin Deane, Secretary of Hull and East Riding Green Party. “He entered remote computers using backdoors and left some messages.

“We have a popular UFO society in Hull! Many cities do. It’s precisely the unexplained, the secret, the unknown, that makes investigation - and science itself - so attractive. He was following an intriguing hobby researching NASA information kept from the public.

“So what’s the worst case scenario? They now know where a number of their weaknesses are and they have some egg on their faces. How does that lead to threats of locking him up for 70 years? One lawyer is demanding he should fry! In this atmosphere, if we hand him over, it’s likely to be a lynch-mob not a trial.” Mr Deane warns.

“I’ve been in touch with Gary’s mum, Janis, today. She tells me:

‘Gary is a vegetarian; he is a gentle pacifist but his extradition has been relentlessly pursued by both the U.K and the American governments as though he is a terrorist. She says the European Court on Human Rights has turned down Gary's appeal but that it accepted Abu Hamza's and allowed him a stay, even though the Human Rights Points presented to the ECHR for Gary were virtually identical in both cases’!

“Where’s the justice in this?? The British government has a responsibility to protect Gary McKinnon. Because of Labour’s iniquitous Extradition Law, every court has failed to protect him so far. Now he is to be put at the mercy of the US justice system. It is time for our Home Secretary to show compassion, and an understanding of the serious disregard for the implications of Asperger’s Syndrome which the courts have taken, by refusing the extradition.”

The local party joins with his lawyers and campaign groups such as Liberty, the Disabled People’s Action Network, and the Mental Health Action Group, to call:

1. · for the UK government to intervene and not to extradite McKinnon to America,
2. · for the one-way extradition agreement with America to be halted pending a full review
3. · for, at the very least, Gary McKinnon to be returned to Britain after trial.

Gary McKinnon has been diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome by foremost authorities, a condition which could explain the persistent nature of his so-called “crime”. He is described as “distraught” at what is happening.

Martin Deane

Sec, Hull and East Riding Green Party

471467

07812 838701

http://freegary.org.uk/

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/technology-gadgets/gary-mckinnon-the-hacker-facing-70-years-in-prison-13926996.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/29/hacking.law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

Now over 1000 free music downloads of "Disclosure" written and composed in support of Gary McKinnon, since 3 September, and growing. Also accessible via:

http://www.jonsorensen.co.uk/15302.html

Sorry I can't do more Gary. Hopefully some people who have this piece will eventually move their asses end up here and add support and profile as they "dance through".

Do we have a date for this "extradition", or should I say, "rendition"?

Stay strong and good luck!

Yes, I agree. The main objective is to help Gary. I stand by my comment of Man-Child with regards to Gary because in my opinion it empathises the fact he is vulnerable (and who isn't when met with US military machine?).

Man-Child definition in urban dictionary doesn't mean anything because anyone can write anything in that dictionary (that's why it's 'urban'). I am entitled to my own opinion and I don't think that someone not agreeing with my opinion justifies calling my home and trying to shove their opinion down my throat, demanding that I 'remove' my comment and CHANGE THE WAY I THINK is helping Gary one bit.

I'm not interested in taking on the world as it's impossible. I just wanted to help one person, Gary because at the time, before he was even diagnosed with Asperger's - even though it's obvious to anyone who knows anything about AS, that Gary is Autistic - I could just see what was gonna happen if they let him go to US, unprotected.

I've been bullied all my life because I am Autistic and I recognise the signs of when it's about to happen to someone who is similar to me (I saw it in Gary's eyes). Wanting to help Gary was a natural reaction, like reaching out to a baby who wandered into the road with busy traffic: you just grab and get the hell out, don't you? As a mother, it's an instinct to protect the vulnerable, Man, woman or child.

I think it's pointless and misguided to make an issue out of a non-issue. Let's help Gary and if we run out of things we can humanly do, pray.

All humans are connected, I believe. So with the power of positive thought (not bickering among themselves) there's a chance things will just get better. We all have a part to play in each others survival.

I glad that we are starting to move-on and we all see that bickering amongst us all is not postive energy what is needed here for Gary's and all our own survival. We all need this collective connection of a strong postive energetic LOUD voice (collectively) to 'free' Gary.

I feel so sad to hear about the bullying you have experienced throughout your lifecourse N, I know how you feel, as a 'kindred' Aspie spiit, who also experienced bullying and 'itgnorance' thoughout my lifecourse.

In speaking to you your caring and maternalistic insticts came across and I feelso sad that we had to fall-out over this word 'man-child', which we both have different viewpoints and experiences, but I can accept your right to use this word, even if I an others disagree within the 'grassroots' movement, but you are so right that we should not fall-out over this and argue amongst ourselves.

I didn' want this and as you know I don't like to cause pain and hurt to anyone. It really upsets me if I do intentionally, especially amongst other 'kindred' spirits who are trying to support others in need.

I agree..'It is pointless and misguided to make an issue out of a non-issue' and I hope now we can move-on to focus on 'Free' Gary.

I also need to apoligise, if you thought that when I rang you, that you thought I was trying to shove my opinion down your throat. I am sorry it came across that way. I didn't intend it to come-across like that I was hoping that we could have had a discussion on this 'man-child' word and the impact it has had within the grassroots movements.

I must have caught you are a bad time and we both were not connecting and listening to each other. I feel so sad that this happend this way and I feel upset that it turned out to be distressing, hurtful and painful experience for both of us.

I know that you would not want to cause any pain and hurt to dsitress me and I would not like to do this to you and/or anyone else. As I said, when I do this unintentionally it does cause me great distress, because I hate upsetting people.

Can I now request that we try to forgive each other for being NeuroDiverse Aspies who have unintentionally not read the signals properly on this matter and the negative impact it's had on both of us.

N, You are a star and such a warm genuine NeuroDiverse women who I have a lot of respect for, especially you allow yourselve to be your NeuroDiverse 'self'; and you are like 'me', and say things the 'way the are' (directly), which you know get us ND's into trouble, especially in this NeuroTypical(NT)world, who are ignorant to 'our' needs.

I like the way you tell people how you feel, just like me, so don't change sweetheart.

Stay strong, as I said you are a treasure and a 'kindred-spirit'.

Could people give their opinions on whether this is good enough to be sent officially to the Home Office? We (London Autistic Rights movement) need to move fast on this.

Roderick

Here is a proposed letter from us to the Home Office about the Gary McKinnon case:

Dear Ms Smith

I am writing on behalf of the London Autistic Rights Movement to express our concern about the case of Gary McKinnon, a man with Aspergers Syndrome, a form of autism, who is due to be extradited to the US on charges of computer hacking.

We are writing to call on you in the strongest possible terms not to extradite Mr McKinnon, for whom there is no evidence that he had genuine criminal intent in his actions. In particular, we would request that you consider, first of all, that Mr McKinnon faces a possible lifetime in jail for an offence that would not warrant such a sentence in his home country.

Equally importantly, he is both on the autistic spectrum and has OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) which in his case manifests itself via an obsession with supposed UFO cover-ups and a compulsion to pursue this obsession. He is also extremely naive as an individual, as is clearly indicated by the fact that at one point he openly stated online while in the Pentagon systems that he was there, giving his name and contact details.

We would ask that, due to his cognitive differences, which affect how he interprets the world around him, he is not extradited to the US in view of these circumstances.

The London Autistic Rights Movement is a London-based civil rights organisation campaigning for the civil and human rights of autistic people in society.

With thanks

Roderick Cobley,
London Autistic Rights Movement

Thank you Colin and Roderick,

seems like a good letter to me and hopefully the Home Secretary will take the issues raised on board.
This is a crucial time when the Home Secretary will effectively be exercising a discretion.

Note Pinochet and others accused of extremely serious crimes lost their legal battles - Pinochet in fact lost twice in the Lords before the Secretary of State intervened at the last minute
(Jack Straw – who also prevented the extradition of Roisin McAliskey to Germany for an allegation of IRA terrorism) to prevent removal from the UK and end the extradition process.

McAliskey was on the grounds of mental health and Pinochet I believe primarily physical health.
However they were viewed at the time as political decisions in sensitive areas.

Gary's crime of computer misuse is so miniscule in comparison to either of the two cases just mentioned. So surely the Home Office has an obligation to keep Gary in the U.K

Here is a link to an interview given by Gary in which he says "that he's not the same person as he was when he trespassed into the Pentagon computers almost seven years ago" which says it all really.

He's already effectively had a six and a half year sentence.

(Copy and paste the link below into one straight line on your address bar or it won't work) http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/technology-gadgets/gary-mckinnon-the-hacker-facing-70-years-in-prison-13926996.html

From Dr Richard Light...

Re: Gary McKinnon case‏
From: Dr R J LIght (un.convention@googlemail.com)
Sent: 11 September 2008 22:07:17
To: Colin REvell (colrev@hotmail.co.uk)

Colin, Thank you for keeping me informed about campaigning in relation to Gary McKinnon's extradition. It is not much, but I have added a short report and links to other sites in the 'Blog' section of the un- convention web site. Thank you, once again, for your tireless efforts. I hope that justice will show a compassionate face. Richard

My response:-
RE: Gary McKinnon case‏
From: Colin REvell (colrev@hotmail.co.uk)
Sent: 11 September 2008 22:29:39
To: Dr R J LIght (un.convention@googlemail.com)

Hi Richard

Hope you are keeping well mate. Anyway, If you are still the UK delegate to the UN Disability Convention, I have asked Gary's campaigns and legal team to write to you. I have given them your contact details, so expect to hear from them.

Gary's case is such a sad affair and horrendous basic human rights abuse and injustice that impacts on the Autistic and NeuroDiverse Rights, Mental Health Survivors and the wider Disability Rights movement.

Is there anything you can do within the EU Parliament and within the UN, within the UN Disability Convention to support Gary's case.

Is your website now working again? When I try and access it says it's offline.

I hope so!!!

Take-Care

Colin Revell

I'm posting this to show things that you couldnt think of the PAST: Human living together with aliens! Human could understand the alien language, think about the symbols in Egypt!

See first 4 pictures and TEXT for sure on this link:
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/alien_pictures5.html

This one too:
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/alien_pictures6.html

KEEP GARY AT HOME!

Adding this to the 9/11 thing!

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Dear 9/11 Truth Seekers,
I regret that, due to the fact that I'm addressing an audience in Oslo, I am unable to attend your United for Truth March here in Brussels. Nevertheless, I wish, by means of this written statement, to say a few words of encouragement and appreciation for your efforts.

The attacks in New York and Washington six years ago left the American people stunned and ready to agree to almost anything the Bush-Cheney administration proposed. At home, this has meant severe restrictions on civil liberties in the name of the so-called PATRIOT Act.

Abroad, we have had a so-called war on terror, which has really been a war of aggression against Muslims and a war for oil and domination in Muslim nations. This has meant six years of torture, humiliation, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan and Iraq, people who were either innocent civilians or soldiers fighting against an immoral and even illegal occupation.

During this period, we have also seen an unprecedented media cover-up in the United States and allied countries. Such cover-ups have happened before. But in this case, the crime was more enormous, the consequences were more catastrophic, and the evidence was more obvious. (For example, just by looking at the collapse of Building 7 of the World Trade Center, anyone who knows anything about these matters can see that it was brought down by explosives, as Danny Jowenko of Holland has illustrated.) The failure of the media to expose the lies of the official story threatens the continued existence of democracy, which simply cannot function without an independent media, dedicated to revealing crimes of state.

The truth is, of course, that the War on Terror is bogus. The 9/11 Truth Movement is driven by a desire to find out the truth about what really happened on 9/11 and who is really behind these attacks. In 6 years, the movement has made a lot of headway. More and more people are starting to realise that the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job, orchestrated by the United States government as a pretext to carry out its pre-established policies.

There have been two very important developments in the 9/11 Truth Movement during the past year. One has been the emergence of groups of professionals. We now have not only have Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, which puts out the Journal of 9/11 Studies. We also have Veterans for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, and, most recently, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Moreover, even though there is not yet an organization of former intelligence professionals, many of them have spoken out. Three former CIA analysts, for example, have endorsed my books.

The other big development has been the growth of 9/11 activism in Europe. I have come to believe that if the truth is ever to be exposed, Europe will probably need to lead the way. Awareness appears to be spreading far and wide. This United for Truth March---the first of its kind in Brussels, I understand---is testimony to this growing awareness.

But we still have a long road ahead of us. Therefore it is important that you all keep working to force politicians around the globe, especially the European Parliament in Brussels, to demand a genuine inquiry into 9/11. A genuine investigation is all that it will take for the truth to come out, because once people get empirical about 9/11, they quickly see what you have all come to see: that the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is obvious.

What is needed is a new and fully independent Commission to uncover the truth about what really happened during that fateful day six years ago. This commission should consist of world leaders, scientists, philosophers, architects, engineers, intelligence professionals, military experts, and other people with relevant expertise. And they should take evidence from people who were not allowed to give testimony to the 9/11 Commission and other bodies who have issued the official reports in the United States---such as firefighters, police officers, other first responders, people who escaped from the towers and the Pentagon, and people near Shanksville Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 was said to have crashed.

And when finally the truth is revealed, we can learn from it and start the healing process. We will perhaps need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. But first we need to get some truth out into the open, so as to motivate a more formal discovery process.

Congratulations on your success in organizing this historic march. May it become known as one of the steps that helped the truth about 9/11---a truth that will do much to overcome the insanity we are now living through---come out.

David Griffin

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See this also
http://unitedfortruth.julez-edward.be/index.php?lang=en
and
http://www.virb.com/unitedfortruth
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WE NEED TO DO OUR BEST!!
GARY MAY NOT BE THREATENED BY THE U.S. LAW

To: politicsofautism@yahoogroups.co.ukFrom: rocobley@hotmail.comDate: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:37:11 +0100Subject: [politicsofautism]

Gary McKinnon protest 28 September

The last meeting of London ARM (minutes forthcoming) agreed that we would seek to hold a protest about the possible extradition of Gary McKinnon on the 28th September (a Sunday) from about 4 pm.

This will go ahead even if McKinnon has already been extradited - 'bring him home' is as good a slogan as 'don't send him away'.

We agreed to try and get wider allies on board, including Liberty, Amnesty International, the UK Disabled Peoples Council, and others, such as local Stop the War Groups and any interested political parties.

I'd like to ask people to actively try and get a hold of people who they think might be interested in joining in such an event. Thanks

Roderick

Thank you Roderick & Colin,

will do all we can to get as many people there as possible.

I'll send out copies of the above email.

Where in London were you intending the protest to be held?

Many Thanks!!!

J

I have just received and email from Dr Pual Shattock, Autism Research Unit,University Of Sunderland...
Website:- http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/
paulshattock@aol.com

Hi Colin,

I spoke briefly about this at a meeting of the US Autism and Asperger Association in Austin, Texas a week ago today. the talk was mainly about the effects of organophosphate pesticides in the environment but it was comparatively simple to move in the direction of "rights". There were about 600 people present and I am fairly sure that none of them knew anything whatsoever about Gary and his plight.

We really must try to find a way to get the information across over that side of the pond. Quite honestly, their judiciary are not likely to be much affected by what we do over here unless they find out about the strength of our feelings and the strength of our sister organisations over there.

I will continue to try to get it on the radar over there -

Any thoughts?

Paul S.

If anyone does any creative work dedicated to and in support of Gary McKinnon, and it's on the Web, more than happy to give it a shout on the West Coast Films website, and put a "link" into it.

http://www.jonsorensen.co.uk/15302.html

It is really a no-brainer at this stage that you should aim to promote awareness of Gary's case Stateside and this is where you should now concentrate your efforts, guys. Stay Sunny!

Gary has done nothing wrong in my opinion, and I wish him good luck.

Hey,

Can any one of you UKers elaborate on your new law for me?
Sounds like the UKers are buying the fear campaign just as the US. Exactly the same process as Hitler. Does any one of you remember voting on this piece of legislation?

UK law makes hacking an act of terrorism

OUT-LAW News,

The Terrorism Act 2000 came into force on Monday of this week in the UK. It replaces existing anti-terrorism legislation and for the first time makes the threat or use of computer hacking a potential act of terrorism.
The Terrorism Act 2000 came into force this week in the UK on 19th February. It replaces existing anti-terrorism legislation and for the first time makes the threat or use of computer hacking a potential act of terrorism.

http://www.out-law.com/page-1409

Elle, Elec.Eng.Tech.

Hi Elle,

no we weren't given an opportunity to vote on this and it has obviously been done without the knowledge of most people in the U.K

Not surprising when you think that the one sided Extradition treaty with America was signed in secret by David Blunket on the last day of Parliament so that British parliament weren't given the chance to debate it.

David Blunket is Blind, so I imagine that when he signed this Extradition Treaty "in secret" there would have been another member of Parliament there.
I'd be interested to know who the other member of Parliamnent was as they both sold out the rights of U.K citizens without our knowledge.

No wonder U.K citizens are leaving Britain in droves; it's very sad that they've felt the need to leave their own country.

This link in todays news is yet more frightening proof that we in the U.K are being tagged like sheep.
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=9593129

[politicsofautism] Re: Gary McKinnon protest 28 September‏
From: politicsofautism@yahoogroups.co.uk on behalf of roderick cobley (rocobley@hotmail.com)
Sent: 15 September 2008 10:49:49
Reply-to: politicsofautism@yahoogroups.co.uk
To: politicsofautism@yahoogroups.co.uk

Apologies I forgot to mention the place - it is Grosvener Sq. outside the US Embassy - so that's 4 pm on Sun 28 Sept outside US Embassy.

Roderick

The way he is being treated worries me greatly. Can't believe our Government would extradite him, this is not good at all.

Gary::

Hackers as terrorists, huh?

Isn't this called promoting hatred against a specific class of people?

In Canada this is illegal to incite hate fear and violence against a group of people.
It is against the most basic human rights.
And anyways, what about serious criminals - like political traitors?
Have we enacted any legislation to make these people possible terrorists?

Treason Definition - "officials in power who are perceived as failing to act in the best interest of

their constituents"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

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I think, that it is about time that the world drops these people off at the nearest bus stop. And that

we enact a few of our own laws, like for example all legislation that is going through the house is open

to common vote from all citizens.

We have the technology on board now, why is it that we still have people in a building making BS laws

that we do not support? This is the 21st century people!

Elle

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT DATE GARY WILL BE EXTRADITED. HAS A DATE BEEN SET?

They need to stop this until the 11sept truth comes out. Its already in front of your eyes.
A FULL FAKE LAW THEY CREATED AND PEOPLE ARE THREATENED AS STONE.

Bush and all of his/her friends in JAIL, and all will be threatened fair!

Gary needs a house doktor just like you and me, nothing more than this! The truth!!

There is no date set for Gary to be extradited. He has a Wonderful and extremely Honourable lawyer and Barrister that won't give up and continue to fight to keep Gary here in the U.K

We are waiting to hear from the Home Office as they are considering whether to refuse to surrender Gary to the America.
Hopefully the Home Office will have the guts to stand up for British citizens and to keep Gary here in the U.K.
If they did that, they would earn some respect from people in the U.K that feel that up until now, we've been well and truly sold out by our own government.
Perhaps the U.S would also gain some respect if they showed some Humanity.

See link to most recent Update published: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39483871,00.htm?r=1

From one American to another American in defense of Gary McKinnon In response to Susan O: I will quote and reply in kind so as to not be misunderstood.

The difference is Gary allegedly committed a federal offense against the US Government. This is not a standard criminal matter - so your term "Jury Nullification" is not only improper, but most improbable. This is federal - the big time.You are saying jury nullification is impossible in federal cases? Do you know what you are talking about? There is rarely time off for good behavior and even more rare that someone is extradited and not convicted. Most definitely so. Unfortunate in this case.

Hacking into a government's security system and this guy is suddenly a victim? Of disproportion, yes. He'd been doing it for years and knew exactly what he was doing - yet, he kept on doing it. Whether he as AS, is mildly retarded, or just a complete moron.. he knew what he was doing was wrong. If you knew what Aspergers syndrome was you would realize you just contradicted yourself.

Don't go criticizing my government for upholding our laws. Does you still stand by that statement knowing that the laws they are 'upholding' were created AFTER the fact of the crime? That when he committed these crimes, (which he has never disputed) that they were not federal terrorist caliber offenses? Well NOW they are, and it'd OK with you that he be tried on that basis? Hell yes he should come here - the American people deserve answers and they deserve justice. One way or the other - guilty or innocent - justice will be served. Ok with all the flag waving "we the people" rhetoric. We (the Americans)deserve answers? Answers to what exactly. How lax was our computer security? Why were there open doors on a Military and security network open to the internet with BLANK administrator passwords? Those questions were answered. Granted, it doesn't make what he did right, but you must consider two VERY important things here: 1)Intent and 2)damage. Were YOU hurt, affected negatively, or imposed upon by G.M. looking for evidence of E.T.? No. So go easy on the "we deserve answers bit. Was our Government? That's debatable, obviously. One more law which changed AFTER the fact: The government does not have to prove damages to military systems. Um, so what then, he has to prove there were NO damages? Impossible. All they have to do is accuse a person and without having to prove damages it is in effect saying that he is guilty of damages. That is 180 degrees from innocent until PROVEN guilty. (In OUR country) You are OK with this also?

Intent: G.M. stated his intent from the beginning. To look for evidence of UFO, or perhaps government complicity in UFO cover-ups. Not to steal secrets and ravage the computer systems of the U.S. Government. If he had wanted to do so, he certainly could have. I am in fact, a network administrator and with those kinds of privileges he could have taken out 5000 systems in short order. The fact that he did not do that shows, if anything, LACK of intent. Now, had he done that I would be sitting next to you on the patriotic bench waving my flag and yelling "burn the mofo." But, he didn't, and I am not.

He didn't commit the offense against Great Britain, he committed the offense against the United States of America and so he should come here and face the consequences of his stupidity. I am not defending his actions, I am defending the impending consequences of his actions. It is INTENT, just as in a murder trial which decides if it is manslaughter or premeditated murder; same act, two VERY different consequences. Perhaps, the notion of a long prison sentence will wipe that shit eating grin off all your faces - but most assuredly - Gary's. Holy Cow Susan! that's a bit extreme don't you think? "shit eating grins"? I've read 1000 lines of posts and I haven't seen one laughing Englishman yet! And certainly Gary's not laughing. The man's been through hell for 6 years already and is in for a world of hurt more. Have you even WATCHED the interviews? Or are you just riding on the shoulders of our governments power trip, accepting wholesale what you're told, and never considering the facts?

And... let us not live in glass houses and discuss violations of human rights. Great Britain has a long list of sins that are well known throughout history - but then again, you've always considered yourselves righteous and above it all, so how could you possibly place human rights violations squarely on the shoulders of the USA and have the audacity to deny you've never committed horrendous and cruel offenses of your own? Who said THAT? WHAT?!!! and what in Sam Hill does ANY of that drivel have to do with Gary McKinnon?! Be honest with yourselves, do your damned diligence and stand here right next to America and answer the same questions that we do.?? You've been knee deep in atrocities against humanity since before America was a nation... thus the reason why America became a nation in the first place. To remove herself from the tyranny and injustice of the crown. OK, so you hate the British, that much is evident. (Perhaps you took the wrong message out of one too many viewings of "Gandhi") but does one guy, 6 years ago, looking for pictures of UFO's really warrant this kind of tirade on an entire country? Jeeez.

Go stick that in your meersham and smoke it.
See, now that would have been a very clever way to end your post if you had actually made any valid arguments; instead, it just comes off as mean spirited. And anyway, it is spelled MEERSCHAUM.
(I didn't know that before I started this post. You see, what I did was went and looked it up, so I would know the facts before I began having an opinion.)

In closing: Susan, do you really think the guy deserves to get 60+ years in a Federal penitentiary for this? I just saw on the news a guy get 14 years for murdering a woman and her 9 month old baby. THAT is an example of injustice. The average murder sentence in the U.S. is 15 years. (Look it up!) No sane society would put G.M. up for quadruple a murderers time in a federal pen for what amounts to mischievous, if illegal, curiosity. You are saying he should get the same as a man who has killed FOUR people?

Should a price be paid? Certainly.

Let me share something with you. If you've ever read those documents that come with your passport they state: (I am paraphrasing) That while on foreign soil you are a representative of the U.S.A. and are subject to all of its laws and by-laws. If you commit a crime while abroad you are punishable under the laws of your own country. And by the same token, are protected by those self-same laws as a citizen of your home country. The same goes for citizens of the U.K. In this case G.M. was never tried, never charged and convicted in the U.K. He should have been. A British citizen committed a crime on British soil. He admitted his wrongdoing and should have been tried and sentenced then and there. Why wasn't he? THAT is the real issue. (If you be nice, and really want to know I can tell you, though it should be obvious to anyone who does even a little homework.)

I won't hide. I'm free to discuss this at any time. obiwan_cr@yahoo.com. I did not write this to attack you personally Susan O. I love my country and having lived and traveled abroad know exactly why I do. I have seen massive injustice in other countries and cannot say I will blindly support that kind of thing HERE. I only want you to put straight some of the things you said, to think reasonably and qualify your statements. There seems to be less and less of that in the world these days. Let's do what we can when we can to not fall into an abyss we cannot get out of.

Gary, I hope Susan O is right and justice IS served.

=="and so he should come here and face the consequences of his stupidity".==

If nothing got damaged, mistakes can be threatened!

If you just would care for it and NOT for the money perhaps?.. These words has looked very different..

What a shame!

Susan's O, your responsibility should get banned.

Gary and his family should be Free to get on with their lives.
They've had a six and a half year sentence of worry and fear and a compassionate end to this nonsense is well overdue.

Extradition/Dragging someone from the country they wee born in and belong to should NOT BE DONE, other than for murder and the like.

If the American and the British government concentrated on imprisoning murderers and people that blow people up, they might earn some respect.

Witch hunts are extremely unpopular and the vindictiveness of dragging someone from their country of Birth for a non violent crime is really unacceptable and should not be tolerated.

Comment in todays Guardian online by Gary's mother.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/22/hacking.usa?commentpage=2&commentposted=1

Link to interviews during Demo outside Home Office

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5960341744984654671