The mainstream media are reporting that Gary McKinnon has lost his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, which has refused to hear the appeal.
e.g.
The Guardian: Hacker McKinnon loses appeal against extradition to US
The BBC: Hacker loses extradition appeal
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Joseph McCarthy
I cant say I have alot of sympathy because he did break the law in a very stupid way, at a very stupid time.
HOWEVER what he faces, a life time in jail, is a ridiclous sentence from a nation lost in its own paranoia.
I have to say, faced with that prospect, if I was in Mr McKinnon's shoes, I might be giving serious consideration to going on a canoe trip.
Dan
The media report this... so is it correct? (excuse my stupidity)
Mr Smith
He's done the crime now he has to face the time. Why should Gary be treated any differently to anyone else that acts in such a blatantly criminal way. Sorry, no sympathy from me.
Mike
If this guy had fessed up hew would have served six months and been home a long time ago. The concept of setting him free or not extraditing him are just as insane as if an American broke into MI6 and petitioned for a reprieve on the grounds that he is a 'small fish' or that the British are 'inhumane'. His argument to block extradition is nonsense. He, like all who break the law, feels that it's ok because he had a reason, or because it was the 'means to an end". It's a joke.
Steve Woods
There is no need to lock him up for the rest of his life for tinkering with a computer system, when murders and child molestors go free after 10 years. Anyone who cannot see that is a moron. A complete and utter moron.
That aside from the fact that he was on British soil when he committed the "atrocity".
Home Secretary do your job eh and give this man his life back - the last 6 years of stress have surely been punishment enough?
Dave replied to comment from Mike
The point is, they shouldn't actually be allowed to extradite him! The vengeful and pathetically childish US government are really embarrassed, and are using a piece of legislation to extradite him which was designed for the extradition of terrorists, and Gary McKinnon is NOT A TERRORIST!
This is all pathetic, he committed the crime in the UK and so he should be tried here. It's blatently obvious that the Americans want to make an example of him and so he won't get a fair trial there.
This all raises suspicions for me of 'monetary favours' directed from the US government at certain members of the British judicial system...
Georgina FitzGerald
As someone who is only barely computer literate I am amazed that this is possible. However anyone with any sense can see that Gary simply became carried away! Surely he probably couldn't believe what he was able to get into and that fed his 'addiction'. Also doing this in his front parlour made it all seem terribly unreal.
Legally, it seems incredible to 'allow' him to be extradited on what is blatantly a wholly embarrassing episode for USA and he is simply a scapegoat for their incompetence. My heart goes out to Gary and his family.
Reye
Well said Mike (and others).
- A complete moron would hack into a country's government/military/sensitive systems and *not expect to pay a price if caught.
- An arrogant idiot would string out his own consequence by trying to weasel out of facing his charges, in the way he knew - prior to acting - that they'd be pressed.
- Mindless knee-jerking sheep would follow others who think that some ill-advised US foreign policies & actions should somehow excuse this guy from being tried in the US. He has the same prospect of a fair trial in the US as he does in the UK.
Kinda reminds me of the kid who's really, really, no REALLY sorry he stole the cookies (but enjoyed the new-found popularity of sharing them with friends first).
tim drake
The Americans should be grateful to Gary for making them realise what a crappy security system they have. If Gary can do it, so can the Russians or the Chinese, ot the Iranians for that matter.
If they had taken provisions which prevented anyone hacking in, this could not have happened. But like on 9/11 no-one "ever dreamed" something like that could happen.
Our world security obviously relies on people 'not dreaming'.....
Also, we are Brits. It is d e s p i c a b l e
that our own House of Lords extradites our boys (for anything less than murder) to any other country. But this all arises from all you crazy bastards who so stupidly voted for Tony Blair.
This extradition treaty is also one-way. We can't get any Yanks extradited to Britain, for anything they might have done.
Churchill would be spinning in his grave.
Gary has not a hope in hell of a fair trial.
solo
NWO strikes
Dan
OK, well said Streve, Dave and Georgina. Gary should not be extradited.
But I'm not going to bother refuting arguments for the extradition, I've done so a million times before.
Geoff
Mr Smith | August 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply
He's done the crime now he has to face the time. Why should Gary be treated any differently to anyone else that acts in such a blatantly criminal way. Sorry, no sympathy from me.
Dear Mr Smith,
You look like me to be American, although I apologise if wrong. I think you will find the ONLY citizens treated differently are American citizen, as their Government refuses to extradite them under ANY circumstance. Hypocrisy shows such a low form of intelligence.
jimmy
How can a country well known for torture be allowed to extradite someone? crackers I say.
Pip
I think I stated a year ago that Gary should get used to wearing an orange jumpsuit and plasti-cuffs, he's going to Gitmo, for acting like a terrorist. UFO hunting (yea right)...Enough money has been wasted on this already, lets get it done...
Sam
I think the truth in all this, is that the U.S. is afraid to leave Gary out of jail, as he's a threat to National Security, because of his ability, not because he intends, or intended to cause any harm. It's an embarrassment to them as well, that someone could break into their systems so easily. If you think about it, it shouldn't be possible to hack into them, if they're so secure. He could have handed this information over to real terrorists, but he hasn't done so, which indicates that he did not wish to cause harm.
What exactly is he being tried for anyway? Where is the evidence that he deleted files and caused damage? Can they really prove that, or is it like in Guantanamo Bay where they make things up and force people to confess?
If you think the US gives fair trials/justice, why is Guantanamo Bay allowed to exist? Further, the US supports torture, we should not be extraditing people to a country which does not stick to the Geneva Convention. The other issue with him being tried in the US, is that we are being told that he may be locked up for 70 years, does anyone believe that to be a fair time to pay when rapists and murderers get far less?
As for fairness in extraditing people, if someone from the US broke into MI6 they would not be extradited to the UK. The US 'protects' its citizens.
Wishing you all the best Gary, we're rooting for you and will continue to fight for you to stay in the UK.
loo
i think gary should have just a slapped hand and let go. so he faces 70 years in prison then he should let us all know what the hell is at area 51 cus i bloody well would and it would be worth going prison for. all those against him, are you serious that you dont want to know what they are keeping there, keep taking your medication or avoiding your medication. its about time we knew whats going on down there if anything. im all for you gary, well done for getting as far as you did.
Vanessa Frost
I've got Asperger's Syndrome and I just think it's mighty convenient that this person just happens to have been diagnosed with AS just before he might be extradited to America.
Call me cynical but having seen him on video I'd say no WAY has he got AS.
He's a manipulative, lying little f-er!
I know my own kind and he's not one of them!
This is purely a diagnosis of convenience.
People with AS struggle to get any support so for Gary McKinnon to be using this condition fraudulently really Angers me!
I'm not surprised America is coming down so hard on him! Do you think they have all these defence systems for fun??
What did he think the likely consequences were of f-ing around with those systems?
Whether he was able to hack them or not isn't the issue - it's the potential consequences of having done so that is the issue.
Believe me, he's as Neurotypical as they come.
Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.
26 Strikes.
Tony
Put it this way. Either hes going to prision, or he will have an "acident" of somesort.
Hes no novice at what hes done. DOnt pull the bullshit US systems arent secure/ embaresment argument either. Anyone who uses that obviously has no clue about hacking, security, and computer science in general. Any system can be cracked, it just requires finding an exploit or a hole. a small line of code can be all it takes to make a system weak and can be overlooked very easily. He wont be in gitmo either, he'll end up in a federal prision, at worst at a supermax which is solitary confinement 23 hours a day. Most stays at a supermax are for a few years before getting a transfer.
P.C. Sedesse Sr
With all due respect,please note that "there is the law and there is justice" and in my opinion although the letter of the law was implemented, the justice had been perverted by political motivations of the usurpers that have corrupted my country of the United States in their attempt to replace honor and justice with fear of power.
Take care and beware that the U.S. has changed since the overthrow by Bush and has become a more uncivilized,mean and heartless even to its own people. Consequently,in my opinion,at this time in our history, the punishment would be skewered towards political motivations.
Sylvain replied to comment from Sam
Sam what "fight" did you do? Why are you people not on the street? You are all a bunch of hypocrits!
BCE
So very sorry to hear they wouldn't listen to your appeal gary. My thoughts and hopes are with you. Keep the head up!
Jon Sorensen
Dear Gary,
You and I have never met or spoken. I'm a film-maker and music composer. Your case was brought to my attention by a film friend of mine who dated your ex-girlfriend's aunt and I've been following your situation ever since. You are not a liar or a terrorist. You freely owned up to accessing whatever unprotected U.S. computer systems you ventured into. You acted neither vandallistically nor maliciously. You were brave enough to share in many media interviews the few items you did. The NASA photographs, the Excel spreadsheet. I have just learned that the EEC Human Rights Court have refused to stand up for you, i.e stand in the way of a one way extradition arrangement. UK Citizens can be extradited to the U.S. but NOT U.S citizens to the UK. The sentiments of many of the people on this page, by the way, are disgraceful and I am very angry on your behalf. In short, take courage, and thank you for trying to act humanistically. Let some of these same people on this page and elsewhere do the same. The Law is the Law, but the agenda here is clear in that they are cracking a nut with a sledgehammer, breaking a butterfly on a wheel. Why? These persecutors of yours...what are they really afraid of? Stay Sunny, stay brave and never think you are alone. This is a "witch hunt" the likes of which we all thought had been extinguished with the McCarthy hearings. At base, it seemed humanly important for me to express my support, empathy and connection. Love and Best to You and Yours.
Laura
No, this administration and the Bush camp currently being paid to try and turn everyone against Gary are a bunch of hypocrits and you stand out a mile because your attitude is so cruel and horrible.
You can't prove any damage, so magically a new American law has just been put forward where no proof of damage is required if the computers are military.
The US government won't extradite it's own and excludes Americans from being charged with war crimes.
The US won't sign the so called extradition treaty and won't extradite IRA terrorists that killed and maimed UK citizens and blew the arms and legs off UK police.
The US waited two years before making the so called treaty retrospective. (how can a treaty be signed only by one side)
The US government try and crucify anyone that embarasses them. Free speech my ass. Free speech as long as you agree with the current administration.
What invasion are we supposed to be "Fighting" in.
You're not at War, your government are invaders and occupiers and thank God the US people are going to throw this abomination out before the US has no friends left on Earth.
Jose
Vanessa, If you knew anything about Aspergers you would see that he's got it and this was recognised by several top Doctors/Forensic Psychiatrists in the field after seeing him being interviewed on Television and it was they who contacted the Lawyers.
Symptoms:
1) High intelligence.
2) A Strong sense of Justice
3)Well spoken monotone voice.
4) Takes statements literally
5) Immature for his age
6) Often Relates more to machines than people
7) Well known for passions that become obsessions, particularly obsessive Re-computers.
8) Has a strong tendency to Tell the truth even to his own detriment.
Plus much more.
Are you sure you've got Aspergers, because you don't know much about it.Perhaps you ought to educate yourself.
Nadine replied to comment from Vanessa Frost
To Vanessa Frost
(if that's your real name, you evil, spiteful person)
I've been officially diagnosed with Asperger's myself by a top Autism specialist in the country and it was a late diagnosis also (because 'normal' doctors are so ignorant about High Functioning Autism and up themselves to boot. They think they know it all but they don't. However, real Autism experts, do! And you clearly are NOT one of them)
I know how difficult obsessions are to break out of, especially without any outside help.
Everytime I've seen Gary being interviewed on TV I thought it was blatantly obvious he has AS. I was shocked that it's only recently that his lawyers decided to finally seek professional diagnosis of AS (after apparently hundreds of phonecalls from people with AS to their offices all this time).
Only a bitchy Neurotypical person (like Vanessa) would mock Autistic, especially one who is clearly harmless and vulnerable and being sacrificed for the mistakes someone else made re: lax security.
Maybe, Vanessa (or is it George W?) IS JUST JEALOUS???
Edward Jones
The fact is that murderers can expect to walk free after, what, 3 years, four years in prison?
Its a bloody travesty that this country can hand over a guy to face a lifetime in prison because he was curious about the military situation regarding UFO's. Just who are these moronic idiots you people vote for time-after-time-after-time?
I dont vote, I just wondered why you people vote for a bunch of morons that seem to suck U.S. member for a living.
At the same time as gary was committing these "offenses" I was living down the road in Wood Green. I never knew him, met him, or heard about him. But like many others at the time I was curious as to exactly what I could get from the net. Fortunately I stopped before going too far, but If those stupid idiots at the military cannot secure their computers, and if those morons in parliament cant see the difference between who they owe their job to, and who is shafting their behinds then I suggest you stop voting for them too. Why is the USA dictating to britain all the terms - what exactly does Britain get? Where are those soldiers standing trial in Britain, you know, the ones that killed half the british troops in friendly fire.
What about all the US companies that rip off British people, when are the directors coming here to stand trial. Come on lets get a few americans here to stand trial for hacking our system.
lc
thankyou and well done to Jose and Nadine for putting Vanessa in her place!
Tony
One cannot but contrast the UK action here with that in the case of the killing of Terry Lloyd by the US military. There they refused even to provide full information, let alone making the suspect available to questioning in the UK.
Probably unfair to compare these two cases. After all, in the first case McKinnon is guilty of exposing gross incompetence whereas the second case it could be anything up to murder.
John Smith
Sadly, tragically, regretfully, the result was forseeable!
Why do you say that?
You must understand not just law but politics!
Who are you to make any comment?
I am more qualified than your solicitor in matters of law!
Who is Gary McKinnon?
I can say that he is no terrorist - the US authorities know that!
What will happen?
It is fairly obvious!
Please Gary do NOT worry!
You are a good guy - that much is blatantly obvious.
I shall try to set out why the US authorities want you - but they will NEVER tell you so much.
Nor will your Jewish [Zionist?] firm of solicitors [be aware that the Zionists (Who do not tend to espouse a moral, ethical or spiritual values) as opposed to Neturei Karta International (Orthodox Jews who have a very deep moral, ethical & spiritual dimension) do not support the Zionists that control the US + UK executive branches of the government].
Who controls the respective US + UK Cabinets?
It is not the Republican Party [US] and New Labour Party [UK] per se!
It is the Zionist International Bankers:
David ROCKEFELLER [New York] & Evelyn de ROTHSCHILD [London]!
Do not conflate the Perception with the Reality!
Whoever controls the respective banking cartels -the PRIVATE not public FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK [David ROCKEFELLER through agents on the Board] & the PRIVATELY controlled BANK OF ENGLAND Monetaay Policy Committee (MPC) [Evelyn de ROTHSCHILD through agents on the Board of Trustees - e.g. Professor David Blanchflower!]
We are about to go through the beginning of a MAJOR RECESSION! Massive housing repossessions - major bankruptcies + major increase in grave crimes + food scarcity + serious riots + resulting in [yes it is that bad...] WORLD WAR III!
Admittedly you make mistakes - as we all do!
I know - you know - we all know!
The US desperately wants you to be extradited - as you have no idea how important you are!!! - nor do your family realise your importance (though your family and all your friends really love you - and only now do you believe these "mere words")!
Please realise that the US - as China or Russia would DESPERATELY want you but NOT to hurt you but to treat you with the highest respect & treat you with KID GLOVES - NOT to put you in prison for life but you are worth ALL the gold in the PRIVATE [not public - kindly research these issues] US Federal Reserve [although the US public sector gold reserves were deceitfully sold off long ago!]
Why?
DO you not understand!!!
Many things I know but they will never be articulated in the carefully sanitised US & UK media! [It is no different to Chinese media or Russian media or any other media in the world - it is all carefully sanitised censored or moderated - giving a perception of freedom - which might sometimes be a tissue of lies].
You know that only by accessing the computers of the US, China & Russia can you find out the truth!
That is precisely what the US want you to do!
So they do not want to hurt you but they want to USE you!
Kindly compare yourself to Dr Wernher von Braun -the brilliant scientist!
Remember, he was of German nationality.
So the US was glad to give him US nationality & WHATEVER he wanted.
Why?
Was Dr Wernher von Braun not employed by the Nazi chancellor [Adolf Hitler who was funded by the Zionist International bankers - & the Prescott Bushes of this world] where Adolf Hitler as German Chancellor or head of the country was democratically elected & through a deliberately planned catastrophic 'event' - the fire of the German Reichstag Parliament (caused by lackeys of Hitler under Hitler's Orders) - precisely equivalent to the '911' orchestrated event on 11 September (9) 2001 (9-11-2001) [a subtle variation or twist on the secret US executive operation - 'Operation Northwoods'] it was used to allow the democraticaly elected German Chancellor [Adolf Hitler] to embargo [BAN] democratic elections in the interests of SECURITY of the national sovereignty and as Commander-in-Chief of [all national forces owing personal allegiance to him] the sovereign [german - but it could be the United States] State indefinitely! [NOTE WELL - The very same action can be orchestrated by George Walker Bush by targeting a few US cities with nuclear weapons of mass destruction [WMD] as a result of a carefully orchestrated planned executive action (just like the 911 carefully managed executive plan)!]
So see similarities in the coming election...
Most ordinary people in the US + UK [without an in depth knowledge of law & politics] will remain in complete ignorance and believe the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) brainwashing media that is controlled by the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) of New York controlled by David ROCKEFELLER who controls the US 'shadow' government - look up Wikipedia David ROCKEFELLER! He controls the unaccountable - untransparent Bilderberg Group of Europe + Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) of New York (look up Council of Foreign Relations & the Media on YouTube to identify who precisely controls US + UK media - David ROCKEFELLER - also check up on CFR + Dick CHENEY on YouTube who admits to the CFR he is a Director of the CFR but he casually admits as a schoolboy humourous aside that he unlawfully never informed his electorate of WYOMING that he was deceiving them and hiding a blatant CONFLICT OF INTEREST between his PRIVATE INTEREST to personally benefit from an unaccounable, untransparent PRIVATE INTEREST that conflicts with his PUBLIC DUTY to CONSULT his electorate on any potential Conflicts of Interest - also check Council of Foreign Relations Dick CHENEY + David ROCKEFELLER on YouTube) + Trilateral Commission + Bohemian Club of New York + Bohemian Grove of California [Google Alex Jones + Bohemian Grove + New World Order (NWO) that undermines National Sovereignty]. David ROCKEFELLER controls & founded all those unaccountable untransparent organisations.
As he controls the PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of NEW YORK.
As David ROCKEFELLER also controls the US 'shadow' government of the United States. Most surprising to most people's knowledge, it is David ROCKEFELLER that selects the 'puppet' of the 'puppets' that will become US president!
Further, David ROCKEFELLER is a member of the prestigious 'COMMITTEE of 300' that controls ALL Freemasons around the World - through BNAI BRITH!
George Walker BUSH is a 33 degree Freemason!
James Gordon BROWN is a 33 degree Freemason!
See the connection?
Visit the 'Mother Lodge' of World Freemasonry at the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) at Freemasons Hall located in GREAT QUEEN (SEMIRAMIS) STREET, [close to HOLBORN UNDERGROUND STATION] to get a better understanding of this vast edifice of power controlled indirectly by HRH DUKE OF KENT + HRH Prince Philip [Consort of HM the QUEEN]! [Get your family or friends to visit - but do not expect the truth but a perception of the truth].
With under half a million highly influential judges, police and solicitors including women Jewish solicitors who are paid up members and all sworn their private oath of secrecy!!! [Another blatant CONFLICT of INTEREST!] Solicitors in the UK are meant to be free of bias - can you not assert that your solicitor is a Freemason & so you insist on applying for a fair hearing as the solicitor & judges were FREEMASONS and had a PRIVATE SWORN INTEREST [Yes, they do all swear an Oath in secret to protect each other - Solicitors of Law Society of England & Wales, Barristers of Bar Council & Judges + most judges in the County Courts + Judges at the European Court of Justice (ECJ) + European Court of Human Rights (ECHR] to protect each other [PRIVATE INTEREST undermining their sworn PUBLIC DUTY to uphold your Legal Rights to Access to Justice & your Right to a Fair Trial - not to be tainted in any way] & DENY YOU JUSTICE!
Please believe me as I know precisely of what I warn.
In law, as you are well aware, there are indeed many exceptions, exemptions, provisos and caveats but nevertheless in law there is no denying that the law must not only be done but it must be seen to be done!
The truth is that there are far too many highly influential Freemasons in the very heart of political & legal governance in the UK (around the Strand, Westminster, Downing Street + Solicitors of the Law Society of England & Wales that offer Criminal Defence under Legal Aid), in the EU institutions (as ECHR) and in the heart of Washington [Political, Legal, Police & Military at the very highest levels - from George Walker Bush (Skull & Bones '322' as in Genesis 3:22 - Ye are Gods - i.e. the President is all powerful and can declare war against the US people with a 'War on Terror' - as there is no identifiable enemy - so deviously clever). Google 'Aaron Russo and Nicholas Rockefeller 911' on YouTube to be reinformed that 911 is a Con - the biggest 'con'fidence trick against the US [+ UK] people in [the whole of] recorded history!]. [Google Benazir Bhutto + Osama bin Laden murdered - note that the late Benazir Bhutto asserts that Osama bin Laden was murdered by US - but he is made to pop up courtesy of the US government + US media as a 'bete noir' (black beast)!]
Google the excellent video: 'ZEITGEIST' - which sets out the truth of 911 [it could be translated as '999' in the UK] and why the US government want to control all people as slaves [of the International Jewish (Zionist) TRILLIONAIRE bankers [who already control all the power & wealth of US + UK] of ROCKEFELLER [US] + ROTHSCHILD (UK)] - [Google] 'Zeitgeist' on YouTube which will soon be banned as it is so politically sensitive! [Links to RFID chip as asserted in the Biblical Book of Revelation - the eponymous 'number of the (material = 666) beast' of the 'antichrist' ROCKEFELLER (US) + ROTHSCHILD (UK) - who both have country homes in ISRAEL which bristles with over 300 nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)! No other country in the Middle East is allowed by the US to have nuclear weapons].
The real reason Iran will be bombed by Israel [as US proxy] is because the president of Iran wants to use the Euro not the US Dollar to trade in international oil contracts. This is precisely what precipitated the nationalist Iraqi US controlled 'puppet' Saddam Hussein of Iraq - he threatened to use the very same menthodology to transfer the international oil contracts from US Dollars to Euros. For his very serious threats - which would have assuredly brought down US hegemony he was rapidly overthrown by US troops.
You have no idea that US economy is finished! That is why US International Jewish [Zionist] bankers that control the cartel of US banks are desperate to keep control of the US. If the Oil producing countries [OPEC] were to use another currency - then say goodbye to the US forever! Yes, it is that BAD!!!
Gary is one of the very few people in the world that can SAVE the US!
Yes, GARY is that IMPORTANT!
Your family & friends can NEVER EVER understand how important you happen to be for 'the WEST' to survive this impending RECESSION + collapse of confidence - economic meltdown + potential collapse of US forever.
Control of computers of CHINA & RUSSIA may be the ONLY way that the US can survive!
As for UK + EU + other countries [apart from CHINA & RUSSIA] they are of absolutely no consequence!
James Gordon BROWN is a FREEMASON
Nicolas SARKOZY is a FREEMASON
The President [+ Prime Minister] of Russia is a FREEMASON.
The public [of UK] will be informed through the 'brainwashing' media that Gary will be put in prison for life - "he'll fry", "he's toast" etc. etc. & a whole lot of other misleading misrepresenting deceitful garbage. [That is public PERCEPTION - REALITY is very, very different!][Old style tactics will be used - GOOD COP + BAD COP!][You co-operate + we will give you everything you want and so much much more!]
Think of it with impartiality.
If I am part of the US 'shadow government' the last thing I would do would be any of those bad foolish things - as you are far too valuable.
You treat things of value - like VIPs with great care. You, Gary are a VIP! [But for the present you will be treated like a very wild animal - all for public consumption].
Please compare yourself to Dr Wernher von Braun & then you realise how important you are as a VIP [Very Important Person] to the US 'shadow' government.
If only you realised how important you are to others!
Kindly think in those terms.
Please think in an impartial way. Think as a disinterested person.
Only when you see that your knowledge is of an incalculable value - beyond measure - that you have the potential to actually save the US & 'the West' from extinction - but no one will ever tell you how important is your knowledge beyond price!
The respective Governments of CHINA & RUSSIA would pay you Billions of Pounds, dollars, Renminbi (People's currency) or Roubles + give you luxurious homes in glorious areas of living with unlimited expenses & seven star treatment for the rest of your life in order to understand your priceless knowledge.
So it would be a fool indeed to do anything to harm you. [But the public are given the impression through court actions and pointless appeals that it is not wise to be a so-called 'challenge to the State' - through judges who links to Freemason politicians as part of the net-work!]
Perception is often misleading + Reality can be so different - as it can be to govern a country [as one or two of my friends just happen to govern their respective countries - but they are no different to you - except they would LOVE to have your undoubted knowledge].
Do not worry GARY!
Have a Moral, Ethical & Spiritual BELIEF & I promise you that you WILL ALWAYS be protected by one far higher authority than any finite limited human authority with so many faults on this Earth we call 'Heaven' which is in reality a 'Prison' if we allow it to be - even when we are FREE!
It all depends on what you BELIEVE!
Think of the BIBLE not as all literally true but as a figurative [Gematria - Midrash] truth - then you cannot go wrong!
I would dearly LOVE to speak with YOU!
Kindly contact the McCanns [Gerry & Kate] [who attend St Mary & St John Anglican Church every Sunday in] Rothley, Leicestershire [write to them & ask them to think of you every day in their prayers & for their continued support - as they are close to the Prime Minister who wanted to be friendly with them for their spiritual support as Gordon Brown is a nervous frightened man who indirectly controls all UK law through the politically appointed Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) - Sir Ken MacDonald the ex Head of chambers of Cherie Booth QC of Matrix Chambers who was appointed DPP on the advice of Cherie Booth/Blair to her husband Tony Blair of 29 Connaught Square, Paddington W2 - see law as interconnected with politics at the very highest level + Freemasonry!] & the [kind & thoughtful] McCanns [who are NOT Freemasons but good spiritual people] will - I promise you - support you & you will in time SEE the [Moral, Ethical & Spiritual] Light!
You will be OK GARY!!!
I am closer to you than you might think!
P.S. Ask your mother to write to Gerry & Kate McCann for their support...
[and they will support you if you are sufficiently persistent or write to the vicar or Clarence Mitchell].
Rosalind replied to comment from John Smith
I am ethnically Jewish and I'm not a Free Mason. In fact if there was such a thing - I'd be against it. I support Gary and not the war-mongers who are snapping at his heels, trying to destroy him because he'd seen the truth.
I think it would be very naive to suggest that Gary will be 'treated with kid gloves' by the US authorities. He should not be extradited to the US. He is ours, he's on of the good guys!
p.s. as for the McCains, how can they have anything to do with Free Masons if they are Scottish and not Jewish? or am I missing something?
amanfromMars
"The mainstream media are reporting that Gary McKinnon has lost his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, which has refused to hear the appeal."
Send it back then, until we hear their Sense/Judgment on the Appeal. Or is the Internet out of their Jurisdiction/Jurisprudence?
amanfromMars
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Jose | August 28, 2008 7:36 PM |
Symptoms:
1) High intelligence.
2) A Strong sense of Justice
3)Well spoken monotone voice.
4) Takes statements literally
5) Immature for his age
6) Often Relates more to machines than people
7) Well known for passions that become obsessions, particularly obsessive Re-computers.
8) Has a strong tendency to Tell the truth even to his own detriment.
Plus much more.
Are you sure you've got Aspergers, because you don't know much about it.Perhaps you ought to educate yourself."
Crikey, Jose, that Asperger's is a Real Gift Syndrome and Difficult 42 Control without Live XXXXPerience/Beautiful Sinless Memory Sinful Bounty.
Gerry
If Gary is a complete Moron as some people state,it just shows how pathetic the American security system is, personally I think he did them a favour, by showing them what crap system they had, i say what they had, with the hope that they have carried out some improvements, it seems almost laughable that he could break in with such ease, imagine if they were your bankers you wouldn't feel very confident that they could look after your money.
Jon replied to comment from Gerry
No Insurance company would insure you if you left your doors wide open and didn't use even the most basic "lock".
You just wouldn't be compensated if you were so incredibly stupid and negligent and if you worked in a bank you would be sacked and probably charged.
Weren't they lucky that Gary wasn't a real terrorist and isn't it frightening that they had no clue about the real hackers from all over the world that were on their systems.
As someone said: It really is a Huge joke or the Embarassment of the century that someone on a dial up machine can "walk" into the Pentagon computers.
Russia and China will be laughing themselves silly when they hear about this one.
How Embarassing.
amanfromMars
"Control of computers of CHINA & RUSSIA may be the ONLY way that the US can survive!" ..... John Smith | August 29, 2008 8:52 PM
That was an informative post, John Smith, with nothing new or earth-shattering to report. Just a list of Failed and Failing Systems of Old Money Old Thinking Control. It is nevertheless a Convenience for Focussing Attention and Targeting Communications Advances towards ...well, your piece would really identify them as "distressed" players, trying to hang on to what they have got through their past endeavours, and there is no point in parading the means, for they are all far too esoteric and exotic without anywhere near as much erotic as is required, to have them forging ahead and expanding and reinforcing their influence in Future times. They do appear to have run out of New Ideas and thus is Depression and Recession and Collapse of their Systems and their Personal Empires, a Catastrophic Inevitability, unless they Change their Support to a NeuReal System.
And that Choice of whether to Invest for a Revitalised and Resurgent Survival [and owning the money supply does make any such Investment, a Painless Non-Event at whatever Arbitrary figure one would care to dream up] or to Suffer further Chaotic Destructive Decline, is freely Theirs to Make, but only one doesn't brand them Idiots, Unfit for Future Mutual Common Purpose.
I would submit that Better Use/Beta Use of Computers rather than Proxy Control of Foreign computers IS the ONLY Way that the US and its Carpetbaggers ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger ... can survive. And whosoever Financing that Facility has a Direct Line and Feed to AIMasterly Control of Universal Perception, which they would not necessarily Control, with that Particular and Peculiar Right being a Presumptive Assumptive dDelivered upon Leadership which Servers and Protects Legacy and Hosting Systems even as they are ReConfigured and UpGraded to Revolutionary NeuReal Quantum Controls with Secured Private Driver Access Protocols in the Enigma of Transparent Full Steganographic Disclosure for the Most Sensitive of Tasks.
Failure to Initiate such a Paradigm Change, which is the Responsibility of whoever would presently Sit atop the Hierarchical Pyramid, will render their Control Lost Forever and its unpleasant and distasteful Memory, consigned to Trash and Lessons Learned the Hard Way........ and another Lead Nation in Complete Control of the Banking System, which is invariably what everything is Resolved to Revolve around. Although it is as well to Realise, in this Day and Age of MetaDataManipulation and Digital CodeXXXX, Key Individuals and CyberIntelAIgently Designed Entities ..... with AI Processing and Real Created Virtual IDEntites ...... are the SMARTer Nations/States, Non-State Actors Facilitating Beta Communication for Revisionary World Order Controls ..... Live MakeOver and TakeOver of Failed and Failing Systems.
Think of IT as AI's Universal Fix and you will at least be on the Right Rails.
One now awaits to see whether Future Fitness for Purpose Brains are an Accompaniment to Present Status Quo Players in Wealth as you have Identified, Mr Smith, or whether they are to be found Eastwards with Hearts and Minds in Lands with Perfumed Gardens and Houses of the Rising Sun .... for a New Global Elite with Crippling Fiscal Power, which they can Beta/Better Wield for Better/Beta Results.
And I reserve judgment on that ISSue, until such times as after it has been Shared here ...and wherever elsewhere it may find its way.
Harry b d
I am astounded that Gary McKinnon could be jailed in the USA or anywhere else for hacking into US military computer systems. On the contrary he should be praised and rewarded for exposing security weaknesses in these systems which could have been exploited by any rogue state to the detriment of the free world.
The free world is in debt to Gary McKinnon. Any punishment whatsoever would be a travesty of justice.
Adam replied to comment from Rosalind
Reply to Mr Smith:
Why should Gary be treated "differently"? He should not, except proportionality is one of the fundamental principles of Western law.
Gary McKinnon is being treated as if he is a foreign intelligence agent, or terorist, when he is a UFO obsessed fool diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome. Catch a genuine terrorist, or treat Gary in proportion to his status.
Adam
Rosalind, its sad and pathetic that people buy into the anti-Semitic "Zionist Conspiracy" theories. They lack the persepective to see that this is merely a refurbishing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgeries.
Their accusations are illogical, often accusing the VERY SAME Jews of being both ruthless capitalist bankers, & communists. Most, I suspect are immature individuals, unable to realise that reading something on the internet does not make it true, & lacking in any factual knowledge of the history of Zionism or Israel. This makes them easy targets for those who delight in repeating what they know to be patent lies in order to slander Jews.
The sad thing is, that it is precisely this sort of inability to filter fact from fiction, history from conspiracy that led Gary Mckinnon to hack US military computers, with the disproportionate response from the US we are seeing know.
I truly hope that an American court will have the sense to realise the absurdity of these charges & throw them out, but I fear that with all the media attention this case has received that will not be the case, & Gary will face an extremely long sentence in a US prison, & those with a cnscience will have to ensure he is not forgotten, & agitate for his case to be re-examined.
That is probably Gary's only hope; that through ongoing media comments on his case they will look ridiculous & feel foolish for what they have done & send him home.
Gary was in retrospect extremely stupid in refusing the original US offer of a plea bargain & short sentence. By doing that he has forced the US to pursue this case to its sadly illogical conclusion, bringing unwanted media attention, & causing the US to react with an overblown authoritarian stance.
If Gary has any sense he should accept his situation, go to the USA, & plead for mercy. I think most appalling is the obviously very shoddy legal representation he has received through all this. His lawyers should have told him that if his decision was to fight the US extradition demands they were dropping his case, rather than foreseeing the coming media circus & potential goldmine for themselves & agreeing to pursue the case against their own better legal knowledge. Poor Gary, shafted by the US, & his solicitors here in the UK.
Peter replied to comment from Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.
Vanessa,
You are not AS.
To be AS you have to be intelligent.
In reading your email, it is clear that you are not in this category.
Time for a second opinion?
plenty
why are we always in usa pockets the dude did the crime in the uk, trial him here and the usa are so dumb to leave the network open its there own fault we as the uk should be doing the usa in court for leavin doors unlocked (gaz if you ever read this dude what u did is what 1000s do every day in my mind) your just unlucky and as normal usa hype and over kill sod um long live gazz showing the world that the usa are dumb !
Susan O replied to comment from Vanessa Frost
Good for you Vanessa. I don't care what he's got - he should be tried and receive his punishment like anyone else. And if any of you think the USA is dumb for leaving the door open, you better look in your own backyard. Just do a google search on british computer security breach and see what you get. Try cleaning up your own security before criticizing others'.
You pompous ignorant pommies. I hope he rots in prison. Next time, stay out of our security system and our business.
A damned proud American!
Jon
You obviously don't have a clue about this case or even know that the U.S has not signed their side of the so called extradition treaty.
You should be ashamed of your government for trying to extradite UK citizens when the U.S won't even sign the treaty and it was made retrospective.
We didn't vote for Bush and object to America running our country.
Our government might be stupid and scared enough to role over but the British people aren't.
Had he murdered someone fair enough but this is far from the case.
I would be damned ashamed if I had a government that runs a concentration camp called Guantanamo and advocates the use of torture waterboarding/simulated drowning.
Saying you're proud of them says more about the kind of person you are.
America has lost its Moral authority in the World and has few friends left which is why decent Americans are clamouring for change
graham
The British government tried to extradite IRA terrorists(real criminals) from the US in the past and were prevented from doing so. We should tell The US to "do one!".
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