Free Gary McKinnon

Damn this government and Damn this European union court for letting this happen. I am so sorry for you Gary. I really don't know what to say at the moment. My faith in any kind of true justice system dies with the verdict of this case. :(

Stay strong.

Ever present in our system of justice is the political establishment. There is no separation of powers in our constitution demonstrated here; only the ownership of a huge tract of our legal system in the hands of the UK and, as a result, the United States Governments. These decisions were not made on a point of law; they were made to produce a stark political statement.

Neither the ownership of the legal system nor the ownership of the British Government resides in our hands anymore, if it ever did. This latest move is a deliberate act by the British Government to show they, in tandem with a global elite, make the decisions now. Our values and our rights that we, the true British people, have built up over a thousand generations have been evicted by the seizure of control by a powerful minority.

This powerful minority has signed over our liberty to the United States Government not through cowardice but as a further measure to maintain their own status. It reflects starkly the Roman invasion of Britain, where the Celtic Kings rolled over for wealth, villas and fine wines with no regard for their own people. Also, like them, eventually the invading power will take more and more control over our lives.

Gary McKinnon's case is the tip of the iceberg; we all sucombe to the United States now. Our passports are to be microchipped, ID cards will be pushed through one way or another and it is only a matter of time before detractors are at best shunned from society and at worst imprisoned. Gary McKinnon of course is not a target because of hacking a few computers, he's a target because he had the nerve to access, albeit so slightly, information regarding the Government of the people.

The US action has been taken because they very clearly believe ordinary people should have no access or interest in their own Government. They want to shut us out and if they can't they'll come down on detractors like a tonne of bricks. And they want Gary so they can silence him in prison from what he saw (although I don't believe he saw anything 'alien') and so eventually they can shut him up once and for all. Just like they killed Milosevic once they realised he could incriminate them more than they could incriminate him.

We need to use the McKinnon case to begin a wider political movement to remove global elites from power. Just for the record, I'm not talking about wacky theories of reptilian leaders and I'm not going to start citing David Icke!

I'm talking about how globalisation has increasingly placed power in a few rich hands; how the media collude with politicians to build a public response and how too much goes on behind closed doors. From Jimmy Carter's Trilateral Commission to David Davis' support in his by-election by prominent members of the Henry Jackson society (who advocate pre-emptive strikes, ID cards and all the other terror babble) something's rotten in this world.

The charade of a politically controlled court battle is over. Now the fight needs to be taken to world Governments. Make it politically expensive for a political party in the UK to support his imprisonment by pushing the liberty and democracy message; demand changes in our extradition laws. Heck, why not encourage people living in countries outside of the extradition treaty to read NASA's real e-mails about things like their Christmas party plans and how another Mars mission has been a failure.

Ultimately, we need to just dissent against this global power. Every time they want to do something, stand in their way. Bring this charade to a halt once and for all.

Slowly but surely the rights of the British people are being eroded, whilst the American fascist government machine laughs in our face.

Thanks UK Home Office and Ministry of Justice, thanks for nothing.

We all need a new revolution! All the Justice System are corrupt. People of the World United! People in our history have died for the right system so we must not let it died by a few corrupt individual who now took control of that system.

This is depressing. Free Gary.
Freedom, truth, justice! (and a hard boiled egg...)

Condolences, Gary.

To anyone who belived that Europe, including the UK, is not just another cog in the zionist machine. Perhaps this will remove the final veil from your eyes. There is no independent UK, there hasn't been for a long long time. Just look at the mess being kicked up over Georgia as I type this.

Anyway - best wishes Gary - and best of luck - you are gonna need it.

If anyone should go to court about the hacking incident it is the pathetic IT companies who sold such pathetically insecure software to such security sensitive installations. Gary McKinnon deserves a medal for exposing how vulnerable our defence IT systems were. He is scape goat and is being abandoned by the pathetic jobs-worths that are our New Labour government, who would trade any rights we may have for their party positions and to appease our more powerful "ally". How can a treaty be enforced on one side of the atlantic only? Where is the natural justice in this? An absolutely shameful affair, shameful. I've written to absolutely everyone I can think of about this. It only shows how supine our "protectors" and "guardians" are - we have no rights at all.

I hope everything will get better for Gary. In my opinion, he is a genious, he could do something extremely profitable for the goverment. Of course, it is really unfair what the US want to do with him, they only want to hide the shame they feel because he could enter into their systems.

@Stuart Butler - software is what it is. Its not the fault of the software writers or vendors for weak security but its rather how the software is administered that at fault here. Leaving administrator passwords blank is laughable.

If they do "fry" him then unfortunately for the us government there will be a lot more $ wasted on new computer hardware.

They need to be less focused on individuals and more focused on countries such as China.

A first year law student could point out the judiciary are acting under duress, because they've ignored two pretty basic principles of English and European law.

Take the Human Rights Act 1998, which puts on the statute book the European Convention on Human Rights. Article 7 concerns retrospectivity. In layman's terms, that means no punishment without law. If the law and penalties do not exist at the time of the offence, you should not have to face them.

Even though it does provide a caveat for international law breaking, we all know Gary McKinnon was not committing a domestic criminal act against the USA (because he was commiting the offence in another country and another jurisdiction, and it wasn't treason) or breaking international law.

Gary McKinnon committed an illegal act in the UK and understood the penalty to be the same as Mr. Bevan who did the same in the 1990s. He could not reasonably expect to face a US penalty because he had no reason to believe he was breaking anything other than a UK law. The treaty which allows his extradition with no evidence whatsoever also did not come into force until after his last offence. He could not expect this penalty in law; thus the ECHR has now committed an illegal act by allowing his extradition.

There's all sorts of reasons why the treaty is a pile of utter crap as well. It wasn't introduced in Parliament, it was introduced with the Royal Perogative (maybe the Queen would like to pardon Gary from this treaty as he's meant to be one of her subjects and this is a matter of prestige). The treaty isn't retrospective either. It's a nonsense and I hope we'll all be writing several thousand letters to MPs demanding to tear up this abysmal treaty.

My heart goes out to you Gary.

I am so sorry that we live in such a corrupt world. Sometimes I wonder if even a revolution would do it. Make things on this planet right again. Or maybe the evil that has overtaken us is not stopable, maybe its time to turn the planet inside out and start over. Somewhere we made some critical mistakes and what we have today is a planet that kisses the ass of the almightly dollar and nothing else matters.

Sometimes I think that there is a glimmer of hope. I have really tried, myself, to increase awareness by doing lots of activism in the past. It only had a small effect on the general population and resulted in my persecution.

On a day like today I feel that there is no hope for planet earth. 26 is sad.

Never will I bend - the USA can go to hell - Ill never work for them nor any other evil such.

Love you Gary...

Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.

Does anybody know how many hundreds of thousands of pounds of our money have been defending this self-confessed criminal? In the name of the gods, just go.

Incidentally, Andrew, if you wish to display your astounding ignorance of the criminal law, I suggest you write to the Sun. If you actually bothered reading any of the judgements instead of assuming that you know what is being said, you will see that it is clear that what Mr.McKinnon did was a crime on both sides of the Atlantic at the time he committed the offence. As you have demonstrated, ignorance is no defence and the fact that he did not expect to be extradicted makes no difference to the fact that he could be under the law as it was at the time.

So very sorry Gary that your enthusiasim on the subject of UFOs got the better of you on this occasion.

Hope common sense prevails and at least you can
have this court case in the UK.

Many believe and have seen this phenomena and do not need politicians to confirm it.

The ruling today is unfortunate, and continues to raise questions on the nature of our bi-lateral extradition agreement with the USA. But, at the centre is the fact that McKinnon did break the law.

Personally I feel that the punishments mentioned are excessive, but there is no benefit in commentators claiming "this to be a zionist conspirary", or "he is a genious [sic".

He's not. He broke the law, using script kiddie tools and it looks like he's going to be harshly punished.

Tim

Gary can potentially beat the rap. "Jury nullification"- US courts have upheld a jurors right to judge the law itself, and let people who have technically broken (bad)laws walk. But if his case is before a military tribunal, this might not work.

Devastating news.

Ho sent per tu. No hi ha dret a que t'extraditen. Apel·la a tots els Estats europeus. Sort.

A sad day, indeed. I really feel badly for Gary. As I have stated before, a misguided individual but not a dangerous one. Although I object to anyone using racist statements about the erosion of our freedoms, I do agree that it appears as though someone, somewhere is is the organ grinder and we, including Gary, are the monkeys. So much for 1,000 years of British civil liberties.

we should all handcuff ourselves to gary. and make the press aware of this outrageous treaty.
im quite should if there were enough of us, and we made enough noise, someone would listen.
i am fortunate enough to have so many reliable frends, that we would form an army and turn gary`s house into an armory.

we would indeed be fighting for freedom and against oppression.

my regards to ur family and friends.
docster

Dave T Said"Does anybody know how many hundreds of thousands of pounds of our money have been defending this self-confessed criminal".

Quote:Gary McKinnon didn't steal anything and the fact that he on an antiquated dial up machine supposedly brought the US military to its knees is a Huge Joke or the Embarrasement of the century (you choose)

Well Dave, wouldn't it have been a Tad more sensible to spend the money securing the computer systems rather than penalising someone that fortunately for us all, exposed the Huge Weaknesses in the systems....but no! The language is revenge and Punish, punish, punish.

As someone else pointed out, Gary McKinnon claims he caused no damage but the US have moved the Goal posts yet again and have changed the law so that no proof of damage is now required when the computers are military.
How convenient.
How many laws are you willing to change to punish one man who is obviously not a terrorist by any stretch of the imagination? and you know that's true.

Olive

That outrageous unfair treaty? Are you referring to the reciprocal treaty that was ratified unanimously by the US Senate in 2006?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEgU_TIgfK1U&refer=home

It was originally sent to the Senate for ratification in 2004 and ratified in late September 2006. Pretty fast work for the Senate.

And if he is successfully convicted, he's looking at 3-5, not 60-70 years. For some reason, the British media has chosen not to report this even though it came from New Jersey prosecutor who originally filed the charges.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h6ognufcJyMQaA9n6nsNOyMGwM1QD928HROO5

The truth is out there. Keep looking.

we should initial a meetup group and protest this travesty in front of the houses of parliament. gary's intentions were not of a malicious nature. To me Gary is a robin hood of the 21st century who got caught and is being made a an example off! It wasn't just about ufos but more important subjects such as free energy technology's that he was in search off. He did this out of his interest to help mankind and not for his own self gain.
Best wishes to gary, his family and friends.

He committed a very serious crime. In addition he left a very serious terroristic post 9/11 threat on one of the systems he hacked. And Gary was a bit too smug to consider a plea bargain.

Hacking and viruses cost people much misery and financial loss.

Whether he did this as a joke (to prove he can hack the system), as a quest to find the truth about UFOs, or as an extremist angry at the USA, he deserves serious punishment for this crime. 60 years is excessive but a good 5 years in the slammer is justifiable.

So far his crime has gone unpunished. Hackers need to be punished. They cause enough misery.

Let him rot in a US jail. Hackers and virus peddlers cause so much destruction and wasted time and money. No sympathy from me whatsoever.

Just wanted to send a word of support for Gary.. Hope things look up in the next couple of weeks!

To Dean Mance.. Wonderfully enlightened view you have there.. I don't recall any mention of destruction or viruses in regards to Gary, so how is it related to your own issues with wasted time and money? (If the US had invested a small fraction of their significant revenue into decent security in the first place then surely Gary wouldn't have had the opportunity to look for UFO information on their systems?)

Irregardless, this isn't an issue about whether hacking or viruses are right or wrong, it's an issue about whether British citizens should be packed off to the states at the whim of the Federal government.. My passport says 'afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary' on it.. As a British citizen I think Gary should be afforded that same protection, as guaranteed by Her Majesty.

Regards,
Chris Asher

Its a disgrace that we are allowing the americans to get their own way in this. They simply want to make an examaple out of gary.

This link re-Duncan Campbell says it all.

The American government/authorities no longer respects Human Rights and cannot be Trusted. They have ruined Americas reputation in the world.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/29/hacking.security

fuck you gary and all the time and money you have wasted on a n00b cracker exploit

It's still amazing of how much destruction one man and his computer can do according to the media. We all know that these numbers were blew out of portion and if anything the most Gary should have to do is pay for the "Experts (pfft)" to re address the U.S. military computers and patch up any security flaws that might exist.

I feel this was helpful to the United States by identifying a problem that needed to be fixed. You would think if Gary could had informed the government that this security issue existed that they would have supported him and cherished his work. However this is not the case and I personally would not have notified the government myself if this were me due to the fact that even then they want to dig a hole for you like your not even a human being. Gary is a young guy from what I can tell. He still has a lot of his life to live. He could have murdered someone and got a lesser sentence.

I had a cousin who was 6 years old murdered by his step-mom in which she strangled him after picking him up from school and burnt his body throwing him in a hole and covering it up. She was sentenced 7 years in jail. Gary gets 60-70 ?

The people who believe that Gary's sentence is fair are immoral and unethical. You apparently have no idea of the whole situation or knowledge of computer systems. Even if data was erased by Gary as we all know the data would still be on the hard disk. I doubt he did a secure erase or was so destructive and acting as terroristic as the U.S. seems to portray.

Good luck Gary. -pr4nq

Stay strong Gary!

Mitnik was once a poster boy too and look how well he came out of it. We're behind you, never give up!

Maybe could the webmaster of this site could put some snail mail links so we could send cards and what the like to support Gary.

I found in today’s Metro (29/08/2008) newspaper what the verdict is and I’m in BIG shock! How people can be so stupid to involved in nonsense allegations like: “terrorism, intimidation and coercion for US gov, etc” for man who is amazing skilled and have a live passion. The man who’s knowledge never was used for terror or other bulshits, just used to show weakness and unprofessionalism for other people and agencies.
I’m Polish who live in UK 3 years and IT person as well. I just can’t believe that UK gov can be so easy manipulated by US-Bush-CLAN. UK will lose so big talent. For me this case is just another argument that US try to hide some evidence that they are in contact with aliens! Don’t know in personality Gary but I know that UFO’s research is his big passion and most of his “network invigilation” was about that.
GARY 4 me U R the MAN!

Truly amazing how this government can give sanctuary to a committed war monger like Abu Hamza, and many others of a similar ilk and can't do the same for one of our own citizens. What a gang of spineless wimps.

First of all ONLY an idiot you accept a unwritten plea bargain (US attoney refuse to write it down)

Second ONLY an idiot doesnt know that ETs exist and they are here.

Government lie about this to make people stupid so easier to control.

Lets be real about this, somewhere like the pentagon that spend billions of dollars on all manner of technological macerations, I am sure have the foresight and the means to put in place some kind of system that can back up and safely store any electronic information of a sensitive nature, the claim that Gary caused $7000 by deleting “sensitive information” is ludicrous in the extreme, and if Americas centre of war and strategic intelligence is so weak that a guy can waltz in unabated and at his leisure wonder in and out of their computers, then the pentagon should be thanking Gary for pointing out their seriously flawed flaws, Gary was up front and admitted what he was doing, what he done and what he was after, the high rollers at the pentagon have beefed up the charges to try and make this ludicrous situation stick, the fact of the matter is, this is not about cracking the pentagons computer systems, this is about the sensitive extraterrestrial images and such that Gary found within the pentagons computers, and this is also about sending out a message to the world about the new world orders sphere of influence in law and the justice system, the fact that Gary has been denied the right to be tried in England is proof of the fact that there is much law but no justice, but lets be honest, there has not been any justice for a very long time, Gary’s case at first glance seems like the kind of thing you would expect to see in such a situation, the law makers making it up as they go along, but on closers inspection, this is about classic cover up, and slight of hand to distract people from the fact that the American government are and have been involved with extraterrestrials and alien technology, and far more besides, and don’t be fooled to think that the British government is any better, on the top levels of real decision making of major governments across the world, they all serve the same party and are guided by the same hand, I feel bad for Gary, this is a dude who is seeking the truth, and at worst you could say that his crime was invasion of governmental privacy, so trying to land a 70 year prison sentence on him shows you how disproportionate this situation is, and let us not forget that we have had our freedoms and privacies invaded, subjugated, and for the most part purged to suite the means of them who are in minion type positions of power in the governmental structure… this is but a taste of things to come… wait till there is a one world currency, a cashless society that has all its members micro chipped with the RFID chips, then you will see total control and totally slavery…Welcome to the new world order…

Gary I wish you all the best, and bless you for seeking the truth, in a time of deceit, telling the truth is considered a revolutionary act…

@ Dave T. The judgements are irrelevant. The crime was committed on British soil and was therefore a British crime (not a US one) when he committed it. I somewhat doubt we would send someone to China or Burma for hacking into their network, so why we're doing it in this case should baffle anyone with a grasp of conflict of laws.

From reading your post I get the impression you're the type who thinks justice is only the right of someone who can afford it (as you indicate no willingness to use taxpayers' money to defend themselves in an unnecessarily expensive system) and also the type who likes to 'bend over' for the USA.

You're welcome to sell your British liberty for a fistful of American dollars. Personally, many of us have far too much pride and far too much to fight for.

Yes Kevin, the senate ratified what you linked to, because the effect of that ratification was (quoted from your link, my caps):

"The treaty, first sent to the Senate for approval in April 2004, lowers THE LEVEL OF PROOF THE U.S MUST SHOW to win extradition of a suspect."

The is no reciprocal lowering of proof on the part of the U.K. when seeking to extradite U.S. citizens, like if they illegally killed some British journalists or bombed British soldiers without following procedure, to take two entirely random examples.

Thats why this treaty is grossly unfair and essentially the giving up of sovereignty to a bullying nation who likes threatening its friends.

Yes the truth is out there, try looking a little harder yourself.

I would urge you all to write to your MP today
(use writetothem.com its easy and will only take 5 minutes).

Here is a quote from my letter:

I would therefore ask you the raise this matter with the Home Secretary
as a matter of urgency. I would suggest two actions:

1). In terms of common decency it would seem sensible to allow the
'plea bargain' to be formally re-instated and for Mr McKinnon to serve
an appropriate jail term. Bearing in mind that his life has been on
hold for some seven years and he has not been able to use computers at
all, which has in effect barred him from working in IT. This has caused
him to earn a more menial living from manual occupations. Furthermore
the emotional stress of '70 years in Leavenworth' hanging over you for
this period must be onerous and stressful in the extreme. We talk about
Human Rights.. lets apply them in this case.

2). In the short term the 2003 Extradition Act must be reviewed to make
sure that UK citizens can only be extradited to states that have a).
reciprocal treaties. b). constitutional respect for the rights given in
Magna Carta for Habeas Corpus. And only after a UK Court (not the CPS)
has assessed that there is a prima facea case to answer, otherwise we
are all hostages to fortune.

Lets make sure this is on the Home Secretary's Radar!!!

This is the moment when ordinary British people say enough is enough. Nu-Labour has thrown away so very much what used to pass for decency, fair-play and basic justice.
To the Prime Minister, I say that you can no longer have our vote or support, unless you stop this farcial assault on liberty.
To the Home Secretary, I say that it is your responsibility to ensure that the individual is protected from the excesses of the state.
It is NOT your role to make political decisions on behalf of the United States.
You were elected to serve the British public, not the twisted and vindictive laws of the USA.
If this unjust extradition does ahead, it will be your government that is remembered for it.
-Can Labour afford to make so many enemies of it`s people ?

This is just disgusting.

I have been unfortunate enough to experience 30 days in a US jail because of drinking and driving 12 years ago. It's very rough in there with heavy handed, abusive guards and inmates.

What really frustrates me is the fact that in the 80s, Markus Hess, hired by the KGB to hack into US DOD systems, was eventually caught, tried in Germany and sentenced to 1 - 3 years in Jail, released early.

Doesnt make any sense.

This is Gary's girlfriend, please write to the Home Office and save our Gary

Thank you for all your support, please lets do something to help!

You have to wonder where this will stop. When has a foreign jurisdiction ever been able to impose its law on someone who has never set foot in their country?

In theory, (based on this case) the USA could pass a law demanding all world citizens swear a pledge of allegiance to Old Glory on pain of life imprisonment. They could then pluck citizens out of every country it has a treaty with who refuse to adhere to its law. After all, this case effectively says it doesn't matter where in the world you are or what state's laws you're meant to follow, if a foreign nation decides to criminalise something world wide it can enforce its law.

Oh, and in the USA, they won't need to provide evidence to Britain first before seizing its citizens either because of the Treaty.

That is the precedent this case has set and I for one am prepared to do literally ANYTHING to overturn it. Take that as a warning, NuLabour.

For legal purposes and so I am not seized by Terror States like the USA, I should like to point out it will be within the realms of the law. But it won't be pleasant!

I have emailed Jacqui Lait my MP and also Jacqui Smith I think this decision is wrong, and I also believe that the US is hiding information about UFO and so do a lot of other people.
We are now the 51st state of the USA Blair saw to that and I can only wish that I could do more. I wish you well Gary and hope that one day we will get our country back from the fascism of the USA when a government will stand up and say enough is enough.
maggie

This is just to show my general support for Gary McKinnon, and to state my anger at our government over this extradition. I feel that this case represents a gross misunderstanding of the nature of McKinnons actions, and the faith in which he acted by revealing his actions to the American authorities and to others.

I would like also to note that the American authorities have stated that Mckinnon's actions "will be treated under anti-terrorist law" if he does not co-operate (whatever this means). I am shocked that a "democratic" government feels they can divide their supporters (co-operators) from their detractors (non-co-operators) in this way and asign each group to a different legal procedure.

Furthermore I would like to state my fear that extradition for an offence perpetrated via the internet is a teriffying precedent. It demonstrates a de-facto situation in which individuals are no longer protected by their sovereign elected body (the state), but are instead subjected to laws made by foreign governments in which they have no stake or representation.

This act by our government demonstrates a complete subjection of individual life and liberty to the causes of international trade relationships. There is no excuse for this and Mckinnon has my full support.

Terrible news! Feel for you Gary and all your family.

Some stupid people on here, for all the negative comments posted by British citizens shame on you! You disgust me! The bigger picture of our own freedoms are at stake here not just Gary's freedom.

Think about how the US can extradite any one of of us if they choose or see fit, with no evidence too! Imagine that happening to you or a loved one. No wait! Really think about it hard, you can't imagine can you because you all such a narrow minded bunch of SHEEP! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

What will happen for our own future, what will happen to our children!

The future is in own your hands. ACT!

Could'nt care about the septics tanks who wanna see so called justice you've all lost the plot years ago. Just look at your own so called bill of rights and see whats left.

Gary should face his time in a UK jail! Crime committed before this extradition order came in to place so how can this happen legally anyway!

GARY GO Find a corrupt doctor who says you've a heart condition so you can't travel, There's plenty of them. I'm surprised u don't have a condition all ready.

GoodLuck Gary, all the best mate.

PS You could always chain yourself down with all your family, friends and refuse to go. Make it a mass media event and grab the attention of all britons, there are some of us who care.

Dave has a very good point actually. Gary could try 'doing a Pinochet' (we like protecting Chilean dictators, it's ordinary British blokes the Government don't seem to care about) and claim a reason he can't travel.

I also quite like the idea that we all handcuff ourselves to him. I'd definitely be up for that.

Alternatively we could abduct him to a democratic country like Venezuela for safety, although the logistics might be difficult. Still, considering we'll only be up against a military too stupid to think of a password, it could be done.

Gary, one of most worthwhile and courageous guys around is George Galloway. He's a highly intelligent fair-minded fighter and a fellow Scot. He has been running an excellent "phone-in" show on a station called TalkSport besides actually being an MP. I took the liberty of e-mailing him last night, and, to his great credit, he e-mailed back within five minutes saying he was on your side and would never abandon you. This is an understandably shattering time for you and yours. However, may I seriously suggest you consider appearing on George's show to further highlight all this on his platform. You will not have a better ally. Other than that, sure, we can all e-mail or write to our MP's, but in all truth they are part of the problem. The public need to mobilise the media themselves. Other than that, Stay Sunny!

Myself and GARY's friends want to protest outside the Home Office on Monday or Tues, if you agree to this protest, please give feedback.

Thank you

Dear Gary and Lucy, Yes, peaceful protesting outside the Home Office would certainly do no harm. You seem to have two Comment strands going on here, and I posted a modest enough constructive suggestion about an hour ago on the strand on this Site you've headed, "Gary MacKinnon Loses EHCR Appeal". You need Media coverage. Stay Sunny!

gary
stay strong and remember the truth runs marathons
keep up the pressure everyone and lets shame this middle class fascist government of ours

Lucy & Gary - we and all our friends love you both and will do everything we can to help you. We'll protest till we'll blue in the face! Never has a man been more wronged.

xx

Where...When...

The ability for a civilisation to strive comes down to there access to resources and energy.

If you can control the energy then you can ultimately control the people and hence get more control of the resources. This seems to have been going on from before I was born and is no so rooted in society that is will be very difficult, if not impossible to stop - unless more people like Gary can open our eyes to the truth.

I can fully understand why people controlling the energy would understand the potential for world domination (or at least Europe). First Europe then the world.

Good idea...!
When will there be details?

There is certainly hope for the Revolution since so many of us appear to have become aware of the dirt that has been going on in the world.
Spread the truth.
Tell everyone about their 9/11 lies, the London bombings, Madrid. More of us have to wake up from this media brainwash induced intellectual coma!
Also follow this small piece of advice - STOP WATCHING TV! After all, the TV had played an enormous role in making it possible, what happened to Gary, and plenty other things too.
I feel very sorry for Gary. This ugly legal torture wounded me deep in the heart, as it i am sure did many others...

Why deport Gary and not the Muslim Cleric? If I were an American official I would be giving Gary a job in Internet Security not prosecuting him,

Gary/Lucy;

I am thinking that this has maybe gone far enough in the legal sense. And to all persond involved the "legal process" has failed to protect and uphold Gary's legal rights to the greatest extent.

Maybe it is time to think about passive civil disobedience. The law regarding extradition and computer crime is a fairly new area of law in its evolutionary stages. There is a lot of grey areas that have not been clearly defined and such, the entire case is completely bias and unfair.

I would say if necesary, do not make yourself available for extradition.

Elle Hart, Elec.Eng.Tech.

Colin, please can you send me your solicitors contact details so I can contact him on Monday?

Thank you.

Karen Todner

I thought that this would be the one good thing that came from the EU but alas they have not saved McKinnon from his fate.

Hello Everyone!

I am Russian citizen, my name is Tatyana Guseva and I would love to leave my personal comment here on the Gary's page, and give my emotional support to Gary. I wish his family to stay strong and believe in good outcome of the case. I have read all the info on the page and I was feeling how my heart painfully sank. I can imagine what Gary's family feels. In October 2006 I have been arrested by Scotland Yard at my house in Manchester and accused for International Child Abduction. The point is that I have been married to American and we prepared stipulation for custody of our child where we both agreed that we separate or no longer reside together, I shall have primary physical custody of our child, regardless of whether I reside in the USA or return to Russia. My ex-husband agreed then that he will not seek primary physical custody of the child. The stipulation was signed in presence of solicitor. However he applied for sole custody during divorce proceeding. Supreme Court denied his request. Later he applied to Family Court for sole custody once more and I got information that he is going to win the case. Well, I decided to leave the US asap with my daughter. I applied for the UK visa and soon I have been granted a stay status in the UK. I have got a job, my child got place in primary school, but while before starting the school she was visiting my sister in Russia, I have been arrested for International Child Abduction in accordance with Hague Convention and imprisoned for Extradition proceedigs to the USA. Next day I have been granted a bail condition. I was going through a lot of court hearings without any results. The Extradition proceeding was adjourned because the UK authorities tried to find a way how to get my daughter back from Russia. They tried to use deceivable and dirty ways. They put me under terrible pressure and were forcing me to sing all necessary documents for third party who is British citizen who will travel to Russia and bring my daughter back to the UK in order to give her then under her father's custody to the US. I was unable to cope with the pressure and humiliation any more and turn up to my Russian Embassy for help as I did not have my passport (it was surrended by the UK Police). The UK authorities did not even informed Russian authorities about the case and what situation I am in, that is what they were supposed to do by the International law, but the law was ignored. They did not do it because they knew that they are using prohibitive methods which are agains the Convention of Human Rights. Before I left the UK, I visited my solicitor office in London and I asked once more still being full of hope: "Maybe there is a way out of the situation" as before he assured me that he will be able to defend me on Human Rights grounds, but at this last time he said: "No, there is no chance for you to continue staying in the UK, as soon as they get your daughter back from Russia, they will extradite you back to the US and you will be imprisoned there" So, I left the UK the same evening. It was 20th of December 2006, and almost all flights on that night in Heathrow airport were detained, but our plane to Moscow took off. My solicitor did not leave any hope to me and his last words were: "There is an agreement signed between the USA and the UK for Extradition, but unfortunately, in fact we in the UK stand by the agreemnt when the US demands to extradite someone who is even British citizen, but when the UK demands to extradite someone from the US for procesution and court proceedings in the UK, they would refuse to do that" So, after I left the UK, I breached the baild and the Court gave a warrent for my arrest. I believe there are people who have different opinion regarding the situation of mine. Today I am in my home country and tried hard to find a way of the situation, but I don't know what can I do. I only know there wasn't a fair hearing, I did not have a freedom of expression, no one considered feeling of my little child that she doesn't even know her father and whom they wanted to send back under his custody. I tried to write memebr of parlaimentry John Leech, he contacted the British Home Office on my behalf. I tried to wrote to the Home Office myself, but I did not get a result. One solicitor in London agreed to help me to sort out the case, but then she stopped to contact me, and I don't know why.. Maybe after looking at the case carefully she realised that it is too messy now. When I was still in the UK, I wrote letter to Russian person Roman Abramovich with request to help me to find and pay a good solicitor who can sort out the case, but I have received a phone ring from someone who said to me; Don't even try to write Abramovich again othewise you would find yourself in worse situation" I want to be free to travel, I don't consider a guilty myself, I want to come back to the UK for life or maybe visit, I would love my child to get a British education and I miss my British friends so much.
I pray God to send me someone who can help me in this. I pray for Gary and his family, and I pray for strong help to them. Gary, you are not a criminal, remember that, and believe that there are people around the World who support you and parying for you. I am sure all the trouble will be finished soon and you will win.
Here is my email address for everyone who would like to contact me: volgasam2005@bk.ru

I think that Gary or his lawyers should approach the European Greens.....if some MEPs take up the issue in the European Parliament, perhaps something could be done.

Paul Sant

As you can see, I am right the European Community signed and ratified the UN Convention Signed: 30-3-2007.
http://www.un.org/disabilities/countries.asp?navid=12&pid=166

See UN Enabled on more inforamtion on UN Disability Convention:-
http://www.un.org/disabilities/index.asp

Colin Revell, I don't know what part of NeuroDiversity you represent but from what I've read on www.wrongplanet.net www.aspievillage.org.uk and www.aspiesforfreedom.com and www.autism-hub.co.uk , the rest of us thinks Gary's AS is irrelevant and we don't like it being proposed as an excuse for wilful and repeated law-breaking over many months.

Gary, I have taken the liberty of composing two music tracks as a gesture of support. "Alien Soldier...For Gary McKinnon" & "Seeker...For Gary McKinnon". I have made these available as Free Downloads. I do hope this gesture is not intrusive. I know how much you are a lover and exponent of music. I do hope these give you pleasure and a little light. If these can be of any assistance in our support for you, please do feel free to utilise them in any way you and yours see fit in raising awareness in the media or otherwise. Hope they connect. They are linked from www.jonsorensen.co.uk and all people do is hit the page button "Gary MacKinnon" and follow on from there. Keep Shining and Stay Sunny!

Gary,

The news saddens us both, in our hearts we know you are a good man. There is such strong love and support from Lucy and many wonderful people.

It must be so hard, please be Strong. xx

don't worry gary!
free energy and the fact that humanity has never been alone in space will very soon be out to the public AND SOO WILL YOU! focus on that and i will happen

When several of the top Aspergers Professors and doctors in the world write to and Tel. Gary's solicitors to say that after seeing him talk on television that they believe that Gary has Aspergers; it is pretty obvious that you are wrong and they are right.

Gary and his family had never asked for a diagnosis as they knew nothing of Aspergers but the world rewnowned Professors, doctors and lecturers on Aspergers and Autism suggested the Diagnosis because they were so convinced by watching Gary that he did indeed have Aspergers.

Many people with Aspergers, even Aspergers womens rights group etc. also telephoned and wrote to Gary's solicitors saying they believed he had Aspergers. The Professors/Doctors/cream of the profession cannot be written off as wrong, no matter how much you would like that to happen.

A very in depth diagnosis was done which included interviews with people from Gary's present and past and even from Ex girlfriends that had no reason whatsoever to help Gary.

When Gary was first arrested one of his ex bosses publicly said the same thing in an interview given by her at the time but we thought she was being silly.

Aspergers doesn't prevent you from being tried in your own country but it could prevent you from being extradited to a country that currently has scant regard for Human Rights and approves of torture being used.

To the people running this site:

Is there anyway of contacting you directly?

We are Gary's close friends and we are trying to think of all the ways we can still help him.

It would be great if we could get in touch.

Thanks

Lucy is planning a gathering/Demo/Protest on behalf of Gary at 4pm this Tuesday in Central London.

If you send emails to info@freegary.org.uk and tell fg who you are; he will pass all of the emails on to Gary's family.

Many Thanks

J

To all Gary supporters

I would like to reiterate someone's earlier post. If you are a UK citizen there are still ways you can support Gary.

Please use the www.WriteToThem.com site to contact your MP's and MEP's.

Please also write to the Home Office as Lucy mentioned. In fact, why not write to the PM himself.

The only chance we have now is to convince this government that enough of us feel strongly enough about this that a broad base of people will lose any remaining faith in the Labour party and British politics and not vote for them.

Whatever your views about the effectiveness of democracy in this country and who really runs this world it's not a reason to not try.

Please check further comments for further info.

Thanks.

Lucy, (Gary's girlfriend) is organising a gathering/demo/protest outside the Home Office in London this Tuesday at 4pm.

the yanks government want to see gary fry. right. but in the end they are frying themselves.

if gary will be sent to the us the whole truth will come out anyway because there are people like dan burish and marcia mcdowell who are willing to testify before court.

anyway, as the wise david icke said: "there worst dictatorship is the one you cannot see"

freedom? in the uk? hahahahahaha.

recently i saw 7, yes, 7 cctv cameras on a double decker bus.

the world is going mad.

good luck gary

I can get Weds of work but not Tues.
How long will the protest be there...?
I can maybe come later.

Gary, there is another very simple core aspect to all this when you look at it. You left messages on their machines. You forgot that "grown ups" have absolutely no sense of humour.

Colin, I'm sorry to hear that you've had a backlash merely for bringing to people's attention Gary's case.

As someone diagnosed with Asperger's by none other than professor Baron Cohen himself, I recognised Asperger's in Gary a long time ago.

I've studied everything Autism for 5 years now, I'm the only published female journalist in this country with Asperger's who writes on the subject and my older son was diagnosed with Asperger's. But I'd never dream of 'diagnosing' another person with AS or doubting their diagnosis made by the recognised autism professionals.

For God's sake, will people who are NOT diagnosticians keep their ignorant opinions to themselves?
Including those that express anger at Gary's Asperger's being used as an argument of diminished responsibility. IT IS a valid point to consider but it's not up to you, laymen and trouble-makers, so butt out!

They are not lawyers or Autism experts, it's NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!

I personally think that anyone who criticises a vulnerable adult with Asperger's for wanting to SURVIVE is JEALOUS of his 'fame' and wish they were the centre of attention themselves. Shame on the haters!

Aspies are supposed to stick together and stick up for one another. 'Curists' already want to eliminate us! (Like Nazis did). Doesn't anybody know about what Hans Aspereger himself thought about it? Then you should read a book by Tony Attwood.

It's like 'safe' Jews living far away from Nazi occupied territories criticising other Jews INSIDE Nazi occupied territories for NOT wanting to go to concentration camps quietly and for causing a media storm with their protests. Those 'safe' Jews must be either evil or NOT REAL JEWS!

You who criticise Colin must be mad!

At least Colin has a decency to bring up this injustice to light.
That's my opinion and I'm not afraid to say it.

I'm not going to give up fighting for Gary, I'm not scared of man, women or Devil himself.

I'll either succeed or die trying. I don't care!!

Mosr Aspies I know are suicidal and I've NOTHING TO LOSE!

The saying:' When they came for the Jews - you didn't speak up because you are not a Jew. Then they came for you and there was no one left to speak' - is true!

Rozagy

Beverly, you'll be happy for the cctv when you get happy slapped

Marian

We will be there from 4pm - 7pm

Please try and make itx

MARIAN

THE PROTEST IS FROM 4PM TILL 7PM

PLEASE TRY AND MAKE IT!

I'll be happy if i could do anything to help,
I'm from Belgium. Thank you.

The bloke who found out about the Chinese gymnast's age was a sleuth! He must have hacked some computers to get the info. What double standards when it involves USA. At least Gary hacked for free energy for all. The real culprits are the ones who keep this technology from us. We need people power to stop the extradiction. Get millions to demonstrate peacefully, and the British govt will back down. Anything less will not work. Get out in numbers! Gary will not get a fair trial in USA. He'll be tortured first.

This is what happens when you do something out of interest. Sometimes a big mistake, but that is made by everyone... Whatever you learn from your mistakes. Time will pas depressed, because were human, human with thoughts and feelings..

Comming to this thing (people) that says TERRORIST. Whoever compare that with the destination of Gary "just from interest" must be out of his mind, you think. You care? No its just because it doesnt mather for them.
The USA standard law wasnt there around for this, there was only these things to stay away from NASA/ARMY pc's!
A noob forget their keys and you picked them up!!

This is just a game, no law used.
The Law on there must have been changed from standard to periodical force threatments. Law?? Yeah they change from time to time, JUST FROM THAT THERE WILL BE TROUBLE AGAIN SOON :-?
They changed their mind and thought better give him 60/70! It was a MISTAKE to give him 6 months!!

NOW SEE THAT THE LAW IS A BIG LIE.
Something is going on!

Before the world goes under do something:
PEACE! FREE GARY,

Thank you

What a dastardly and outrageous situation. For such a tiny, harmless and stupid act that has caused some embarrassment (nothing more) the great US anti-terrorism machine takes its spiteful and uncivilised revenge while the pettyfogging British government sits on its hands more interested in its political stance than the justice of the situation. My God, what hope do we have with heartless people like this in control.

DAMN YOU NEW LABOUR, DAMN YOU DAVID BLUNKETT who led us into this cruel and unjust scenario.

BRITISH GOVERNMENT:
"sans teeth, sans eyes, sans everything"

God bless you Gary, I hope we have a 12th hour change. Be strong, we will be thinking of you.

The extradition treaty is ridiculous. For several years Gary lived free, and then he was forced to sign in at the local precinct every night, and he isn't allowed internet access. The U.S. Government is at fault for not using strong passwords, which EVERY computer-literate person is advised to use by any website with logon capabilities. What's more, there was no classified material exposed, no lasting damage done. Several hundred hours community service should suffice. But no, the U.S. wants vengeance. Not justice, but vengeance.

From someone living in the usa, many of us believe he is being used as a scapegoat and it disgusts us. On a day like today, when so many lives were taken in order for the rest of us to lose our rights (in every country), Gary - to me - is a hero trying to save more lives. He has thrust the idea of personal courage and quest for truth back onto the list of being human.

It is an uphill struggle against the current agenda. But we can never quit. Not when we know so much now!

Please let Gary know he is well thought of and held close. And same goes for his family.

Thank you Seph. Your warm and sincere comments are much appreciated by Gary & Family.

Best Wishes

J

This whole story shows a complete lack of security by the american goverment. Also that the british goverment will bend over backwards and ignore our own law, to stop America getting cross and being childish (punishing the UK for not extradighting people on request). Shame on the people of the UK for not waking up to the fact that our country is being bullied. Sure Gary's a real bad guy - for causing problems and making threats, but given the fact I can't find the actual news, I guess the whole issue is being swept upnder that thick BBC carpet. Shame on BBC for not giving the actual story about freedom and english law being abused.

I mean if some high powered person in America thinks im guitly of a hacking crime, they can say what ever they want agains me, and wont have to provide evidence? Then I'll go to prison in a forign country on false evidence! SCARY / CRAZY?

Anyway, the underlying story is who was actually responsible for the security of those systems. Also what implications has it had for the citezens of the US and UK. What data was accessiblt when conencted to those 'secure' systems? I think Gary could tell you that there were many more hacking that he could see too but he's probably been told if he tells us the trust he'll rot in jail forever.