MI5 e-mail list subscriptions now more secure than at launch

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Sometime on Friday evening, the MI5 e-mail list subscription service has been modified from the shambolic version which was launched on Tuesday evening (see "MI5 e-mail alert signup shambles - all email subscription web forms sent to the USA, without encryption")

The e-mail list subscription service no longer seems to send your personal data to the USA in an unencrypted format, but it is still not being hosted entirely on secure UK Government IT infrastructure.

However, signing up this way, no longer gets you an email confirmation immediately, you will now have to wait "a few days". Will the terrorists also wait ?

There has been no indication of an update to the website on its front page, which still claims "Updated 9.1.07 17:00"

There has been no new news item on the What's New page, and so, it is not surprising that there has not been an email message to those people who have already subscribed to the MI5 website news update e-mail list.

The links to the web form


now take you to an SSL / TLS encrypted web page


You can now register "anonymously"

To subscribe, enter your e-mail address and, optionally, your name in the form below and press the "Subscribe" button. You can register anonymously if you wish, but providing your name (or a user name of some description) will enable us to help you more effectively if you report a problem with your subscription.

There is also now an extra paragraph at the bottom of the page :


Your subscription details will be sent over a secure Internet connection via a Secure Socket Layer (SSL), a protocol used for secure communications over the Internet. Web addresses that begin with "https" indicate that an SSL connection will be used.

Hooray ! This uses the already installed Digital Certificate for the www.mi5.gov.uk website, which was already being used for an SSL encrypted web form.

So far, so good, but why could this not have been done on Tuesday when the service was launched ?

So where is this e-mail list sign up web form being processed this time ?

It appears to be handled by:


Using SSL ok.

The domain name does not inspire much confidence or trust, as the substitution of the number Zero "0" for the letter "O" in the name "host", makes it look like the sort of domain name used for spamming or phishing attacks !

However the whois information says:

Xwhois query for h0st.biz...

Results returned from whois.biz:

Domain Name: H0ST.BIZ


Registrant Name: Guy Marson
Registrant Organization: Mailtrack
Registrant Address1: 2nd Fl King House
Registrant Address2: 5-11 Westbourne Grove
Registrant City: London
Registrant State/Province: London
Registrant Postal Code: W2 4UA
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.448707420558
Registrant Email: info@mailtrack.com


Technical Contact ID: DOT-EJVGCCA772BA
Technical Contact Name: Guy Marson
Technical Contact Organization: Mailtrack
Technical Contact Address1: 2nd Fl King House
Technical Contact Address2: 5-11 Westbourne Grove
Technical Contact City: London
Technical Contact State/Province: London
Technical Contact Postal Code: W2 4UA
Technical Contact Country: Great Britain (UK)
Technical Contact Country Code: GB
Technical Contact Phone Number: +44.8707420558
Technical Contact Email: info@mailtrack.com


Created by Registrar: DOTSTER
Last Updated by Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Registration Date: Thu Jul 10 16:54:37 GMT 2003
Domain Expiration Date: Wed Jul 09 23:59:59 GMT 2008
Domain Last Updated Date: Mon May 08 19:51:18 GMT 2006

So the h0st.biz domain name has been around since 2003.

The traceroute information shows that

16 109 109 109 ae-0-25.br1.tclon.uk.easynet.net 17 109 110 110 fe1-1-0.ar0.rblon.uk.easynet.net 18 114 114 114 fa0-0.cr0.rblon.uk.easynet.net 19 110 110 109 merry-3.mailtrack.com

IP address:
Host name: mi5.h0st.biz

is hosted on a MailTrack.com machine,

IP address:
Host name: merry-3.mailtrack.com

with Easynet as the ISP.

Note the Lord of the Rings character names for the Mailtrack machines e.g. Merry, Elrond, Arwen, Cirdan etc.

At least Easynet and MailTrack are companies based here in the United Kingdom, so that is an improvement on the previous situation, where the web script was running on a server in the USA.

Why this software cannot be hosted on secure UK Government server, is still a mystery.

Thie https://mi5.h0st.biz webserver banners claim that it is running on:

Server: Apache/1.3.28 (Linux/SuSE) mod_ssl/2.8.15 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.3 X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.3

Obviously https://mi5.h0st.biz has a Digital Certificate installed, but a very recent one indeed !

The Digital Certificate is a "wild card" one issued to be valid for all *.h0st.biz domains for MailTrack Ltd, by www.DIgiCert.com, (a US based Certification Authority) which is itself certifed by the Canadian Entrust Certificate hierarchy.

This is no worse than the existing Verisign issued DIgital Certificate being used by the www.mi5.gov.uk website itself, and it does mean that it is accepted by most web browser software.

Valid from:
11/01/2007 00:00:00
(11/01/2007 00:00:00 GMT)

i.e. on Thursday 11th January - 2 days after the launch of the MI5 e-mail list subscription service, and after the initial Spy Blog article, but before, say, The Register reported it more widely.

Perhaps somebody in the UK Government is actually reading Spy Blog after all 8-)

Subscribing to the modified MI5 website news e-mail list:

The link from the News page announcing the service on Tuesday,, now takes you to the SSL page.

Filling in your name , surname and email address as before, and clicking on the the Subscribe button now takes you to


MI5 E-Mail Lists - Subscription Verification

Thank you for submitting a request to subscribe to our mailing list(s).

We will send you an e-mail in the next few days asking you to click on a link to verify your subscription request.

So there is now no longer an online subscription verification system, such as the WhatCounts.com service which was being used previously.

It is unclear if there is to always now to be a delay, presumably for a manual check on e-mail list subscriptions requests, before you are added to the list, or if this is yet another temporary stage in a system which is still under development, after it has been launched with a fanfare of publicity.

It is unclear what the status is of the subscriptions which have been made between Tuesday and Saturday, on the old, as launched system - will everyone have to re-subscribe ?

Have all copies of the data, and any log files associated with the subscription process in the USA been securely destroyed ?

It remains to be seen if an email from the suspiciously named "mi5.h0st.biz" domain name actually triggers people's software or human email spam or phishing attack filters.

We hope that such emails are actually sent from a *.gsi.gov.uk email address, i.e. via the UK Government Secure Intranet gateways to the Internet, like most other Central UK Government Department emails are, something, which requires at least a "sanity check" by independent Government IT Security people.

We would still like to know who exactly ordered the MI5 e-mail subscription service to go live on Tuesday, in such obvious haste, without proper testing and security and privacy sanity checks.

Was it a civil servant, or a spin doctor or a Labour politician ?


thanks for the info. I think it was a civil servant. just kinding really but yeah I was wondering about how secure they really were thanks.


Another story on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6262719.stm.


@ Anonn - so who gave Qinetiq the order to rush ahead with this system last Monday / Tuesday ?

The MI5 emails sent from the USA not surprisingly got flagged as possible spam by spamassassin at work. Someone needs a clue about security (and properly coded HTML emails) - but I guess it's too much to expect MI5 to know anything about email security issues.

Those emails need to be sent from a gsi.gov.uk server, and not just from an blah@blah.gsi.gov.uk email address, at the very least.

I have not seen an answer to these two questions noted on the site. Where might one go to find the answers?

"It is unclear what the status is of the subscriptions which have been made between Tuesday and Saturday, on the old, as launched system - will everyone have to re-subscribe ?

Have all copies of the data, and any log files associated with the subscription process in the USA been securely destroyed ?"

@ mn19522 - we do not have any answers to those questions, yet..

David Geller said on Saturday, that he was surprised that nobody from the UK had contacted him about what to do with the data which his company holds. He has promised not to abuse this data, but he is under no legal obligation not to do so.

The WhatCounts.com emails were in HTML format, with embedded border spacer graphics etc., so many less security concious people with their email software still set at the default settings, could well have left their IP address and browser details etc. in the http://media.whatcounts.com web server log files, from a personal computer other than the one which they initially registered from e.g. home and work.

You could try enquiring via the MI5 encrypted web form,


about what has happened to your personal data, if enough of us do so, they may publish a statement.

If they publish it on their website, this should, in theory, trigger a "What's new" email alert.

On past form, it is very likely that they will not reply .

You can also complain to the Information Commissioner' Office - just because we have done so,does not mean that this busy Office will instantly spring into action on our behalf, the more people who express their concerns about the data protection issues, the better.


RE: The e-mail list subscription service no longer seems to send your personal data to the USA in an unencrypted format, but it is still not being hosted entirely on secure UK Government IT infrastructure.

The naïvety of this blog staggers me. Secure UK Government IT Infrastructure???

There is no such thing on several levels.

For a start, the UK Goverment doesn't have a single cohesive IT infrastructure, it is all fragmented and contracted out to private companies like EDS, Cap Gemini, Accenture, Capita et al..

Secondly, it is only as secure as the people who designed, built and currently maintain it. All of those stages are accomplished by employees of the aforementioned companies who are paid considerably less than those who work for private hosting companies.

Thirdly, seldom is anyone ever held accountable for disasters that take place in Government IT systems, for reasons which should, by now, have dawned on you. Private hosting companies lose clients when they mess up, whereas the UK Goverment is still awarding contracts to those companies I listed above, despite each one being involved in some monumental cock-up in the last 5 years (do you not at least read Private Eye?).

Finally, in-house developed Goverment systems are not necessarily secure. The only secure IT infrastructure, is one that is not connected to the Internet, such as the systems at GCHQ and, precisely because they are not connected to the Internet, they cannot be used in this situation.

All IT infrastructure systems are vulnerable to their own employees (especially if they're paid less than others in the private sector), people who deliberately get a job at an IT company specifically to hack from the inside, people who pose as cleaning/security staff, or simply people who phone up and pretend to be an employee working from home.

Ironically, this email subscription system (which handled nothing more confidential than email addresses) was far more 'secure' in its intial form than it is now. I am sure MI5 know this, but have undoubtedly been forced to react to an adverse (but completely baseless) media panic.

@ RC - do you have any evidence that the http://www.mi5.gov.uk website has any technical security vulnerabilities, or that the people who are in charge of it, i.e. Qinetiq and MI5 staff, have been suborned or infiltrated in the way that you allege ?

Could you please explain how the system which was launched on Tuesday 9th is, in your view, more secure than the current one ?

  • The system as launched used the MI5 webserver run by Qinetiq, the UK email company Mailtrack Ltd. webscript on a server shared by several OEM customers of WhatCouns Inc, hosted by Level 3 in Seattle in the USA, all without any use of SSL encryption

  • The system as modified last Friday uses the same MI5 webserver, still run by Qinetiq, the same UK email company Mailtrack Ltd, running a script on their dubiously named http://mi5.h0st.biz server, using the services of the ISP Easynet in London, using SSL encryption throughout.
  • The email subscription system is in limbo, as there have not been any confirmation email sent from the new system since it was modified you have to "wait a few days".

The statement from the Cabinet Office claimed that the changes to the system were not made in response to Spy Blog or to the Mail on Sunday reports.

This blog has been as critical of some of the disastrous UK Government IT schemes over the years.

We do know, however, from personal experience, that there are many competent, hardworking and loyal people working to try to keep these systems secure and running properly, despite the stupid policies of their political masters.

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Armed and Dangerous - Sex, software, politics, and firearms. Life’s simple pleasures… - by Open Source Software advocate Eric S. Raymond.

Georgetown Security Law Brief - group blog by the Georgetown Law Center on National Security and the Law , at Georgtown University, Washington D.C, USA.

Big Brother Watch - well connected with the mainstream media, this is a campaign blog by the TaxPayersAlliance, which thankfully does not seem to have spawned Yet Another Campaign Organisation as many Civil Liberties groups had feared.

Spy on Moseley - "Sparkbrook, Springfield, Washwood Heath and Bordesley Green. An MI5 Intelligence-gathering operation to spy on Muslim communities in Birmingham is taking liberties in every sense" - about 150 ANPR CCTV cameras funded by Home Office via the secretive Terrorism and Allied Matters (TAM) section of ACPO.

FitWatch blog - keeps an eye on the activities of some of the controversial Police Forward Intelligence Teams, who supposedly only target "known troublemakers" for photo and video surveillance, at otherwise legal, peaceful protests and demonstrations.

Other Links

Spam Huntress - The Norwegian Spam Huntress - Ann Elisabeth

Fuel Crisis Blog - Petrol over £1 per litre ! Protest !
Mayor of London Blog
London Olympics 2012 - NO !!!!

Cool Britannia


Free Gary McKinnon - UK citizen facing extradition to the USA for "hacking" over 90 US Military computer systems.

Parliament Protest - information and discussion on peaceful resistance to the arbitrary curtailment of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, in the excessive Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 Designated Area around Parliament Square in London.

Brian Burnell's British / US nuclear weapons history at http://nuclear-weapons.info

RIPA Consultations

RIPA Part III consultation blog - Government access to Encrypted Information and Encryption Keys.

RIPA Part I Chapter II consultation blog - Government access and disclosure of Communications Traffic Data

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UK Legislation

The United Kingdom suffers from tens of thousands of pages of complicated criminal laws, and thousands of new, often unenforceable criminal offences, which have been created as a "Pretend to be Seen to Be Doing Something" response to tabloid media hype and hysteria, and political social engineering dogmas. These overbroad, catch-all laws, which remove the scope for any judicial appeals process, have been rubber stamped, often without being read, let alone properly understood, by Members of Parliament.

The text of many of these Acts of Parliament are now online, but it is still too difficult for most people, including the police and criminal justice system, to work out the cumulative effect of all the amendments, even for the most serious offences involving national security or terrorism or serious crime.

Many MPs do not seem to bother to even to actually read the details of the legislation which they vote to inflict on us.

UK Legislation Links

UK Statute Law Database - is the official revised edition of the primary legislation of the United Kingdom made available online, but it is not yet up to date.

UK Commissioners

UK Commissioners some of whom are meant to protect your privacy and investigate abuses by the bureaucrats.

UK Intelligence Agencies

Intelligence.gov.uk - Cabinet Office hosted portal website to various UK Intelligence Agencies and UK Government intelligence committees and Commissioners etc.

Anti-terrorism hotline - links removed in protestClimate of Fear propaganda posters

MI5 Security Service
MI5 Security Service - links to encrypted reporting form removed in protest at the Climate of Fear propaganda posters

syf_logo_120.gif Secure Your Ferliliser logo
Secure Your Fertiliser - advice on ammonium nitrate and urea fertiliser security

cpni_logo_150.gif Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure
Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure - "CPNI provides expert advice to the critical national infrastructure on physical, personnel and information security, to protect against terrorism and other threats."

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Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) recruitment.

Government Communications Headquarters GCHQ

Serious Organised Crime Agency - have cut themselves off from direct contact with the public and businesses - no phone - no email

Defence Advisory (DA) Notice system - voluntary self censorship by the established UK press and broadcast media regarding defence and intelligence topics via the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee.

netcu_logo_150.gif National Extremism Tactical Coordination Unit
National Extremism Tactical Coordination Unit - keeps a watch on animal extremists, genetically modified crop protesters, peace protesters etc.
(some people think that the word salad of acronyms means that NETCU is a spoof website)

Campaign Button Links

Watching Them, Watching Us - UK Public CCTV Surveillance Regulation Campaign
UK Public CCTV Surveillance Regulation Campaign

NO2ID Campaign - cross party opposition to the NuLabour Compulsory Biometric ID Card
NO2ID Campaign - cross party opposition to the NuLabour Compulsory Biometric ID Card and National Identity Register centralised database.

Gary McKinnon is facing extradition to the USA under the controversial Extradition Act 2003, without any prima facie evidence or charges brought against him in a UK court. Try him here in the UK, under UK law.
Gary McKinnon is facing extradition to the USA under the controversial Extradition Act 2003, without any prima facie evidence or charges brought against him in a UK court. Try him here in the UK, under UK law.

FreeFarid.com - Kafkaesque extradition of Farid Hilali under the European Arrest Warrant to Spain

Peaceful resistance to the curtailment of our rights to Free Assembly and Free Speech in the SOCPA Designated Area around Parliament Square and beyond
Parliament Protest blog - resistance to the Designated Area restricting peaceful demonstrations or lobbying in the vicinity of Parliament.

Petition to the European Commission and European Parliament against their vague Data Retention plans
Data Retention is No Solution - Petition to the European Commission and European Parliament against their vague Data Retention plans.

Save Parliament: Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill (and other issues)
Save Parliament - Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill (and other issues)

Open Rights Group

The Big Opt Out Campaign - opt out of having your NHS Care Record medical records and personal details stored insecurely on a massive national centralised database.

Tor - the onion routing network
Tor - the onion routing network - "Tor aims to defend against traffic analysis, a form of network surveillance that threatens personal anonymity and privacy, confidential business activities and relationships, and state security. Communications are bounced around a distributed network of servers called onion routers, protecting you from websites that build profiles of your interests, local eavesdroppers that read your data or learn what sites you visit, and even the onion routers themselves."

Tor - the onion routing network
Anonymous Blogging with Wordpress and Tor - useful Guide published by Global Voices Advocacy with step by step software configuration screenshots (updated March 10th 2009).

Amnesty International's irrepressible.info campaign

BlogSafer - wiki with multilingual guides to anonymous blogging

NGO in a box - Security Edition privacy and security software tools

Home Office Watch blog, "a single repository of all the shambolic errors and mistakes made by the British Home Office compiled from Parliamentary Questions, news reports, and tip-offs by the Liberal Democrat Home Affairs team."

Reporters Without Borders - Reporters Sans Frontières - campaign for journalists 'and bloggers' freedom in repressive countries and war zones.

Committee to Protect Bloggers - "devoted to the protection of bloggers worldwide with a focus on highlighting the plight of bloggers threatened and imprisoned by their government."

Icelanders are NOT terrorists ! - despite Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling's use of anti-terrorism legislation to seize the assets of Icelandic banks.

No CCTV - The Campaign Against CCTV


I'm a Photographer Not a Terrorist !


Power 2010 cross party, political reform campaign


Cracking the Black Box - "aims to expose technology that is being used in inappropriate ways. We hope to bring together the insights of experts and whistleblowers to shine a light into the dark recesses of systems that are responsible for causing many of the privacy problems faced by millions of people."


Open Rights Group - Petition against the renewal of the Interception Modernisation Programme