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"CCTV tapes were removed and returned blank the following day." ITV
The perfect case study for:
http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com
Several papers including Observer & Mirror have more info on the sequence of cockups:
1. Incorrect suspicions over Scotia Road flats.
2. Surveillance officer misidentifies JC.
3. Same officer, instead of forwarding his image to Gold Command, decides to take a whizz.
4. Surveillance officer 'Hotel 3' points out the target.
5. Trigger happy firearms officer.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1553440,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
"Ooops, we shot someone who was sitting innocently on the train reading the paper.
Can we have the video recordings?
Ooops they are deleted.
Here have them back...."
Yeah, right.
The cop on surveillance outside the block of flats claims to have had a problem: Taking a leak, switching the camera and calling HQ on the rap rod all at the same time. So the camera fell of the bottom of the priority list: Convenient. Unless this officer was a woman, I can't see the problem. All he had to do was lean forward to avoid wetting his boots. Camera at the flats not working, cameras at Stockwell Station not working. Another cock and bull story. I think they’re taking the piss. Come on Baby Face, pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.
Met chief: I was kept in the dark on Tube killing
Can identify with that Ian, baby. Treated like mushrooms: Kept in the dark and fed s***.
@ Andrew Milner - apparently the surveillance operative who was "taking a leak" was a soldier on secondment, and the two people who fired the shots in such a seemingly trigger happy manner were Metropolitan Police.
Why is the Independent Police Complaints Commission report taking so long ? There is no more forensic evidence to analyse nor any more witness statements to take.
I would like to suggest the prison planet.com website for all. Its got some good stuff on this bombing coverup et al
@ john - it does , but there is also plenty of strange conspiracy theory stuff that you have to filter out as well.
Yes...I agree.
I wonder why we have not heard from the policemen who actually fired the shots.Will we ever hear from them?
The Independent has a good summary of the questions that have not been answered about the Stockwell Tube CCTV "evidence".
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article307649.ece
[The Independent quotes from a police document "leaked" to ITN News yesterday, - without attribution.]
"The police document says: "Stockwell station and environs has been surveyed and all existing CCTV has been seized.
"During the course of this it has been established that although there was onboard CCTV in the train, due to previous incidents the harddrive has been removed and not replaced.
"It has also been established that there has been a technical problem with the CCTV equipment on the relevant platform and no footage exists."
However in a statement to The Mail on Sunday, Tube Lines said: "We are not aware of any faults on CCTV cameras at that station on that day. Nothing of that nature has been reported to us." Yesterday the company refused to elaborate."
"One union official argued however that the on-board cameras may have been empty.
Employees' representatives said Met officers emptied the cameras the day before police killed Mr de Menezes as part of their investigation into the failed bombings on 21 July.
According to a report he would have passed eight cameras, two in the station entrance pointing at the barriers, another aimed at the Northern Line escalator and another on the way down.
When Mr de Menezes reached the bottom of the escalator, another camera would have captured him. And as he turned on to the platform one above the track and three more at each end of the platform would have caught him on film, the reports say.
This information should have been sent to a control room and passed to video tape. Yet there is apparently no footage of him in and around the platform."
"But confusion still surrounds the contents of surveillance tapes taken from Stockwell station. Sources have suggested that the tapes had been recovered from the station booking hall, which had shown images of Mr de Menezes and that there was limited footage from cameras inside the carriage where the shooting took place.
All Northern Line Tube trains are equipped with CCTV - at either end of the carriages, but the only photograph published of the incident seems to have been taken from a doorway."
"The unanswered questions
* If the CCTV cameras showed Mr de Menezes using his Oyster card to open the ticket barrier, why did police sources suggest he vaulted it?
* Were cameras trained on the platform in full working order? Police and Tube sources contradict each other.
* How could all four cameras around the platform have failed at the same time?
* If the cameras had failed, why did the station log book contain no details of the fault?
* Why had CCTV onboard the train been removed? "
Still no media questions or answers about whether or not there is, or should have been, any CCTV footage from the Number 2 Bus on which Jean Charles de Menezes and the surveillance team travelled to the Tube station on.
Another interresting questions and I quote from alex jones website...There are too many unanswered questions which need to be answered and no-one seems to be really pushing for answers.two of which are as below.
"What is the reason behind Alan Greenspan's decision to flush nearly $40 billion in liquidity into financial markets two days before the attack? Was this an attempt to preemptively head off a run on the markets? If Greenspan had information about a terror attack then why didn't the people on the trains and buses get the same warning?
Who were the individuals that profited from short-selling the British Pound in the ten days before the attack? The pound fell 6% for no particular reason. Fortunes were made after the pound dropped even further in the aftermath of the attacks. This directly mirrors short selling of United and American Airline stocks in the days before 9/11. These suspicious transactions led directly to the CIA."
@ john - You were meant to filter out that sort of Alex Jones / Prison Planet conspiracy theory stuff, not get fooled by it !
There is a theory that some Al Quaeda sympathisers made money out of the September 11 2001 attacks via the financial markets, but then so did many other speculators. Similarly there could be Al Quaeda sympathiser speculation linked directly to terrorist attacks on oil pipelines etc. in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, but again, there are lots of other speculators who make money on these things as well.
If the July 7th 2005 attack was meant to be linked with any sort of currency or market speculation, then it must have been a failure - the bombers attacked the "wrong" targets i.e. not the City of London's telecommunications infrastructure etc. or even the G8 summit itself.
There were plenty of other more plausible things which could have influenced the markets in early July e.g. the G8 Summit and all the multi-billion "African debt relief" malarky, the record oil prices etc.
One thing which the Stockwell Tube shooting has done, is it has totally diverted the mainstream media from asking questions about the lack of progress in the July 7th bombing investigations - where are the masterminds, financiers, co-conspirators, explosives bomb makers etc. ?
Even Charles Clarke the Home Secretary has admitted that there is no direct evidence yet to link the July 7th and July 21st attacks.
Given the media spin and lies demonstrated over the Stockwell CCTV "evidence", we should re-examine all the briefings and leaks about the July 7th bombings as well.
I dont believe in coincidences........lol
I have been following the various newspaper reports as reported etc etc as well as the info on the website. Overall I personally believe there is a cover up.
There are too may coincidences and even old murphy must of had a hard time.
I usually read all the hype and extract the spin from reality.
Regarding the markets.....again is it a coincidence.Maybe we will get a stock market analyst to come on here and fill in the blanks pertaining to the events leading up to the 7/7.
There are unanswered questions and about turns which need to be timelined.....
It seems there were two distinct teams, perhaps with a high level of friction between them. There was the home team led by Tsarina Dick (now there’s a name to conjure with) that followed Mr. de Menezes from his apartment, on the bus to Stockwell Station and on to the train. Just as they were about to have a quiet word with the Brazilian gent, the hard lads with the military training rush in, and without so much as a by your leave, push London’s finest out of the way, and proceed to make any future interrogation a decidedly one-sided affair. You have to believe Ms. Dick went incandescent with righteous indignation. “Fit to be tied” would no longer be a descriptive expression.
However, with the police version of events continuing to unravel, we can all be caught without a chair when the music stops. Specifically, were some of those “witnesses”, members of the surveillance team? One witness, only quoted once, said the hit squad spoke to each other in a language other than English. Just suppose it was Hebrew. Care to comment Sir Ian?
Sir Ian (they must give knighthoods away with Corn Flakes tops these days) seems to be riding out the storm, but what a lame duck. We blogged our little hearts out, but authority has all the high cards. “Wait for the IPCC report, wait for the Crown Prosecution’s decision on whether to prosecute, wait for this, wait for that.” Lie all the way to the grave. This year, next year, sometime, never. The reason the CPS so often say there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute is because it’s true. There has to be a way to make police officers testify (against each other), obviously by handing out Lord Archer type sentences for perjury and perverting the course of justice.
Because in the final analysis, Justice is only as good as her servants.
You wrote: "Neither has there been any noticable reduction in crime, as a result of all these extra surveillance systems, and, very obviously, there has been no deterrent effect on terrorists."
CCTV-related crime has in fact risen: securities fraud, insider trading, off-alance-sheet financing, etc., by all the usual suspects.